50 years of space travel - should we be further ahead?

anything I don't mind · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:22

I have read all of nasa's lies regarding the faked moon landings. I have been looking in to the faked moon landings for years. It is unlikely that you will be able to provide me with new lies that i have not seen yet. The conclusion i come to is that it is a well orchestrated lie and they tried to cover every angle. But you can not lie your way to the moon unfortunately.

Metalface Mark · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:24

But you also think man hasnt visited space at all, we havent got the technology to have ever left the atmosphere.

How can anything you say after that nugget be credible?

JRS · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:25

groen said:
Ok what power did they use for the space craft, that includes propulsion, climate and general power (lighting, computers etc).

Electrical power for the Command/Service Module was generated by hydrogen-oxygen fuel cells. They combined hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity along with some water for drinking and spacecraft system cooling. The oxygen tanks also delivered oxygen to the cabin for life support. Propulsion was provided by two systems. Firstly, a reaction control system fuelled by hydrazine with an oxidiser (nitrogen tetroxide). Fuel pressure was provided by helium rather than pumps, since pumps can malfunction. The main engine was a gimbal-mounted 91kN rocket fuelled by Aerozine 50 and nitrogen tetroxide, again pressure-fed with helium. Additionally, batteries provided emergency power and power for re-entry once the service module was cut loose.

groen said:
What power did they use when they detached from the main craft and landed on the moon.

Four or five batteries in the descent stage of the Lunar Module depending on mission, descent stage engine fuelled with Aerozine 50 and nitrogen tetroxide.

groen said:
What powered the rover

Two 36V potassium hydroxide batteries.

groen said:
and what powered the climate control in their space suits

Two 16.8V batteries

groen said:
what powered the craft that lifted off from the moon

Two batteries in the ascent stage, ascent engine fuelled by Aerozine 50 and nitrogen tetroxide.

groen said:
and docked with the main craft going 1000s km an hour in orbit. How did they manage to dock with the main craft travelling at such speed so easily?

Skill, judgement, training and good equipment.

ThomasTheTankEngine · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:26

groen said:
I have read all of nasa's lies regarding the faked moon landings. I have been looking in to the faked moon landings for years. It is unlikely that you will be able to provide me with new lies that i have not seen yet. The conclusion i come to is that it is a well orchestrated lie and they tried to cover every angle. But you can not lie your way to the moon unfortunately.

Just answer one question.

If they faked the moon landings...... wtf was it the Russians tracked all the way to the moon and back? Because the definitely tracked something: Something that was producing human voices.

anything I don't mind · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:28

jimbob27 said:
The lunar lander, rovers and space suits were powered by batteries. The same type they used in submarines in WW2. I guess you don't believe in submarines either?

I am guessing not your average 12v car battery :rolleyes:

sigma · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:28

JRS why even bother responding? All he'll reply with is "I know the truth, all the millions of people out there and all those scientists don't know more than I do".

Remember this is the person who couldn't work out why sleeping late was making him late for work....

JRS · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:32

groen said:
I am guessing not your average 12v car battery

As I said, 36V potassium hydroxide batteries.

sigma said:
JRS why even bother responding? All he'll reply with is "I know the truth, all the millions of people out there and all those scientists don't know more than I do".

Remember this is the person who couldn't work out why sleeping late was making him late for work....

I know, I know.....it's one of my biggest failings as a human being, I can't help but respond to utter nonsense

Metalface Mark · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:32

The funny thing about the moon hoaxes, rather than tracking rockets, lasers on the moon, the actual imprints of the guys on the moon from satellite recently shown and the thousands of hours of footage shot on the way and on the moon by the missions, why the heck would nasa build the biggest rocket ever made, a working lunar module, command module etc, do the hard part of launching it all into space and then not goto the moon with it.

Seems a bit, well, ridiculous does it not?

ojrules · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:33

lol groen..

- " so we'll need a massive rocket, becuase thats the first question people will ask when we show them footage of the moon...... ahh so we're not actually going to be saving any money on the massive rocket then?"

sigma · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:35

Metalface Mark said:
The funny thing about the moon hoaxes, rather than tracking rockets, lasers on the moon, the actual imprints of the guys on the moon from satellite recently shown and the thousands of hours of footage shot on the way and on the moon by the missions, why the heck would nasa build the biggest rocket ever made, a working lunar module, command module etc, do the hard part of launching it all into space and then not goto the moon with it.

Seems a bit, well, ridiculous does it not?

As I said earlier, put it in to context, if you need an Internet forum to tell you that getting the earlier train to work will stop you from being late (as has been happening for several months) then it all becomes clear.

ojrules · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:37

groen said:
But you can not lie your way to the moon unfortunately.

very tempted to have this as my sig....

besides as said already the fact you don't believe man has left the atmosphere shows what an idiot you are and further discredits you... i mean for goodness sake you can look up in the sky at night and see the ISS

anything I don't mind · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:39

Metalface Mark said:
The funny thing about the moon hoaxes, rather than tracking rockets, lasers on the moon, the actual imprints of the guys on the moon from satellite recently shown and the thousands of hours of footage shot on the way and on the moon by the missions, why the heck would nasa build the biggest rocket ever made, a working lunar module, command module etc, do the hard part of launching it all into space and then not goto the moon with it.

Seems a bit, well, ridiculous does it not?

NASA built the rockets because they were developing rockets for missile launch technology purposes and the whole "space travel" aspect was just added on later. They faked the moon landings for money. £800 billion budget over the next 40 years would be a good enough reason to build a lunar module, fake a bunch of footage and pictures, fake some moon rocks, write up a bunch of "almost" plausible science on how it was done. £800billion later and a 6 billion people think we have been to the moon and back six times. Job done.

ThomasTheTankEngine · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:39

groen said:
I am guessing not your average 12v car battery

They were 36v silver oxide batteries. Same stuff as you get in golf carts... electric wheel chairs..... etc etc.

sigma · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:39

ojrules said:
i mean for goodness sake you can look up in the sky at night and see the ISS

Liar.

groen said:
NASA built the rockets because they were developing rockets for missile launch technology purposes and the whole "space travel" aspect was just added on later. They faked the moon landings for money. £800 billion budget over the next 40 years would be a good enough reason to build a lunar module, fake a bunch of footage and pictures, fake some moon rocks, write up a bunch of "almost" plausible science on how it was done. £800billion later and a 6 billion people think we have been to the moon and back six times. Job done.

Oh it just gets better and better. Too many sig-worthy quotes.

I don't think you're a troll but some of stuff you spout has me wondering.

Metalface Mark · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:41

sigma said:
As I said earlier, put it in to context, if you need an Internet forum to tell you that getting the earlier train to work will stop you from being late (as has been happening for several months) then it all becomes clear.

Oh he's that guy?

Metalface Mark · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:42

groen said:
NASA built the rockets because they were developing rockets for missile launch technology purposes and the whole "space travel" aspect was just added on later. They faked the moon landings for money. £800 billion budget over the next 40 years would be a good enough reason to build a lunar module, fake a bunch of footage and pictures, fake some moon rocks, write up a bunch of "almost" plausible science on how it was done. £800billion later and a 6 billion people think we have been to the moon and back six times. Job done.

Except you eh, theres no flies on you.

sigma · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:44

Metalface Mark said:
Oh he's that guy?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18242503

groen said:
Below are the times in minutes that i was late on the early shift.

06/09/2010 15
07/09/2010 26
09/09/2010 26
10/09/2010 36
20/09/2010 16
21/09/2010 38
25/09/2010 17
05/09/2010 16
08/09/2010 28
20/09/2010 22
22/10/2010 20
03/11/2010 32
16/11/2010 19
17/11/2010 39
18/11/2010 21
29/11/2010 57
30/11/2010 61
489 (15 hours)

03/12/2010 21
27/01/2011 28
10/02/2011 36
(1 hour 15min)

I would say 70% of the lateness is due to the pathetic unreliable public transport in london, but like everyone, i over sleep and forget to set my alarm sometimes. Anyone else have this problem?

ojrules · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:45

we need some kind of groen archive where we can post all his best bits...

JRS · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:48

ojrules said:
we need some kind of groen archive where we can post all his best bits...

I think that concentrating all that lunacy in one spot might be dangerous....

Tefal · 8 Mar 2011 at 12:48

Metalface Mark said:
The funny thing about the moon hoaxes, rather than tracking rockets, lasers on the moon, the actual imprints of the guys on the moon from satellite recently shown and the thousands of hours of footage shot on the way and on the moon by the missions, why the heck would nasa build the biggest rocket ever made, a working lunar module, command module etc, do the hard part of launching it all into space and then not goto the moon with it.

Seems a bit, well, ridiculous does it not?

Groen doesn't believe in Newtonian physics/Classical mechanics and believes that space travel is thus impossible without constant thrust equal to that required to actually leave the planet for the entire duration of the journey.