UEFA Champions League Final - Manchester United vs. Barcelona

Yet to watch the match but sounds like Barca were just unstoppable, no shame in to losing to such an immense side so not sure why so many trolls have come out the cracks, they weren't here when United totally schooled Schalke.

I'm not a fan of any prem team but would have been nice for an English team to have won it, even if it would have meant Fergie winning the thing more than my Brian!
 
When the dust settles man utd and all CL English clubs need tto look in the mirror.

They have all gone backward from where they were a couple of years ago (except perhaps Arsenal but they're still not good enough) the league was poor this year and utd were the worst of a bad bunch. If any of you have pretensions of winning the CL again you have a lot of improving to do to catch Barca who seem to get stronger every year.

No shame in losing to Barca, they will go down as the greatest team EVER when people look back, but you all have a lot of improving to do challenge them. This will be made more difficult if Jose stays at Real and keeps a voberent purchasing policy going and they keep improving too.
 
Valdes has to be one of the most improved players over past season or two. Wasn't long ago he always seemed so liable to make a mistake and a bit hit and miss.

His positioning (most of the time bar that Arsenal goal), alertness and distribution are pretty decent now :o

He might be massively improved but he still seemed a little bit fortunate on at least two occasions (and probably more) that I can think of: I think it was Hernandez chasing down a pass while Valdes was running out, Pique got to it first and passed it back to Valdes who just managed to thump it downfield - on another day that was past him and either an o.g. or Hernandez manages to get on the end of it. Another was again with Hernandez I think where he raced out to the edge of the area and only just managed to punch the ball away from his head.

I know the saying about the harder you work the luckier you get and all that but the line between being a hero and a failure can be pretty slim at times.
 
Yet to watch the match but sounds like Barca were just unstoppable, no shame in to losing to such an immense side so not sure why so many trolls have come out the cracks, they weren't here when United totally schooled Schalke.

I'm not a fan of any prem team but would have been nice for an English team to have won it, even if it would have meant Fergie winning the thing more than my Brian!

Sorry but thats not true, there is no shame in losing to the best team in the world, the scoreline is irrelevant, its the WAY you lose that is either embarassing or not. UTd weren't in it, they chickened out from playing their usual football as Fergie didn't have the guts to give it their all, they came up with a VERY poor plan B, practiced it for a week and lost badly.

You can lose 1-0, but have deserved to lose 8-0 and put in an embarassing performance, on another day you can put in a great performance and still lose 5-0. Utd put in a VERY poor performance.

AS for if Utd were sub par or Barca were too good, really Utd played a system that played to every strength of Barca, Utd played very badly and made it easy for Barca to play at their best. If UTd stopped passing so badly and actually defending properly then Barca wouldn't have looked nearly as good.

Its still not shameful or embarassing, but this wasn't a close game that Barca just snuck, Utd were never in it, it certainly wasn't a performance to be proud of. Well, Utd's best chance of a second goal being Pique's epically stupid backpass is a little shameful.


I think Arsenal and Utd could beat Barca, Real did it with a truly shocking defence making all the same mistakes, several others have beaten Barca with largely the same tactic, Inter did it, let Barca push the entire team forward, including defenders, and break on them hard, do it with EVERY single attack and Barca adjust, do it now and then, you get through and Barca make mistakes.

Its been the same tactic thats won most games against them for 4 years, yet people keep trying something "new" when the tactic to beat them is pretty well established, its pretty hilariously stupid to be honest.

Think about American football and trick plays, if you do one every play no one falls for it, if you play one tactic but randomly throw in a trick play they've got a decent chance of making it. Hernandez sitting upfront offside for 90% of the game looking for the same play was also known as the "captain obvious play", Barca adjusted and were ready from 8 mins in till the end.

I don't think it was intentional at all for Arsenal, but the substitutes and we moved from a completely non working system, and Barca playing their usual way, to suddenly having posession upfront, Barca had played normally for 60 mins and suddenly Arsenal were playing a completely different type and quality of football and we surprised Barca, got two goals while they weren't quite ready for it, then they got back to it and had us on the run at the end of the game. Asides from that 20min spell in the first leg, we were as outplayed as Utd were, the goals were completely inevitable, our general tactics were poor, our players made all the same mistakes, the only real difference was Barca's finishing was slightly off the boil against us.

Try the same thing all game long, everyones prepared for it all game long, epic fail, switch it up now and then, catch them not ready, get goals.

Inter showed it only last year, allow Barca forward, let them push the CB's right up, then every now and then rather than burn posession then make a break for goal and suddenly Barca look in real trouble.
 
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Thats the thing No1newts, yes they won the league but the league was sub par this season.
As you say the best of a bad bunch and just happened to be amazing at home, away from home well look at the record its shocking. Yes its great to win the league no doubt but put that in to perspective.

Rio said himself the trouble was the movement of the front 3, they didn't play with a CF all game. Villa and Pedro on the wings and Messi who was meant to be central was never stood in the box waiting, he took the ball just about any where on the pitch!
Who do CB's mark like that? They had no one to mark, being moved around all the time players cutting in and when they do attack all of a sudden they have 3/4/5 players to keep tabs on.

I don't think really UTD could have done much better at the end of the day just lost to the better team and the gulf in difference was massive.

SSN have stats from the CL

Messi 12 goals highest in season - 133 dribbles
Xavi 1315 passes total in CL
Ronaldo most shots with like 35
Bale with most crosses 68
Vidic most clearances with 75
Neuer most saves with 45
 
Berbatov is crap, only way to utilise him is sell him to some other poor buggers. Top scorer and I would still kick his lazy ass out of the door. God knows how many points he has lost us this season. We need to cull our mid field and get some real class to.

Points lost? He won us many points. Did you forgot his hat trick against Liverpool and the comeback against Blackpool? He has done more that his share this season in winning the title. I would put Berba in the top 15 strikers going right now. Only problem is, he seems cursed. He could've had 4-5 goals against blackpool in the final game.
 
Points lost? He won us many points. Did you forgot his hat trick against Liverpool and the comeback against Blackpool? He has done more that his share this season in winning the title. I would put Berba in the top 15 strikers going right now. Only problem is, he seems cursed. He could've had 4-5 goals against blackpool in the final game.

exactly. his a quality player. Fergie got it wrong. Owen on the bench? come on
 
Sorry but thats not true, there is no shame in losing to the best team in the world, the scoreline is irrelevant, its the WAY you lose that is either embarassing or not. UTd weren't in it, they chickened out from playing their usual football as Fergie didn't have the guts to give it their all, they came up with a VERY poor plan B, practiced it for a week and lost badly.

The sad thing is i think you actually believe the utter nonsense you type.
 
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I think that performance really sums up this season for the EPL. I don't think any team had a good year this season and watching that game said it all about how badly the season was with Utd as Champions.

As some of you know I am not a Utd supporter but I did like to watch them when they were winning everything despite hoping they fell on their faces. This season has been poor in my eyes.

This is just my opinion so it is neither right nor wrong in the eyes of the forum. Looking forward to the transfer market where we can hopefully hang onto some of our players.

At least Fab will be playing some good football next year. They will be even better next season.
 
I think that performance really sums up this season for the EPL. I don't think any team had a good year this season and watching that game said it all about how badly the season was with Utd as Champions.

As some of you know I am not a Utd supporter but I did like to watch them when they were winning everything despite hoping they fell on their faces. This season has been poor in my eyes.

This is just my opinion so it is neither right nor wrong in the eyes of the forum. Looking forward to the transfer market where we can hopefully hang onto some of our players.

At least Fab will be playing some good football next year. They will be even better next season.


We won the league and reached the CL final.

At HT it was all to play for and in the second half Barca won it. Fair play to them - fully deserved.

Thats life.
 
This is what happens when you have to many agricultural players on the pitch like Valencia and Park, sure they track back but the quality they offer going forward and on the ball is minimal.

Save for his assist, Giggs was very quiet, evra looked positionally challenged at the back.

We had no one to pick up theball and carry it any meaningful amount ans resorted to our usual punt it and see mentality, which might work against wigan but not against a great team.
 
This is what happens when you have to many agricultural players on the pitch like Valencia and Park, sure they track back but the quality they offer going forward and on the ball is minimal.

Save for his assist, Giggs was very quiet, evra looked positionally challenged at the back.

We had no one to pick up theball and carry it any meaningful amount ans resorted to our usual punt it and see mentality, which might work against wigan but not against a great team.

Yeh I agree.

I knew it was going to be a long day when after 10 mins Man U were hoofing the ball up pitch from defense every minute.

Best team won and I thought the occasion was great.

Also thought the ref was good and allowed an open game to be played.

Well played Barca.
 
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