Female body builders, just why?

ok couple pics I took just now for the haters. I would say I look pretty decent for someone that eats as much as they want and only does a bit of random swimming/running/pullups/dips. I know I have a fat belly but at least it forms in the shape of a six pack lol. I can see my side trunk muscles and blue veins all across my upper chest and shoulders so i know it isn't all fat.

I'm officially calling out psycho sonny to post HIS pic. You can blur the face or whatever to be anonymous.

Roughly 200 lbs 34" waist:

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Wide back from swimming. Incredibly dusty closet mirror.

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Nah but srsly would yous say I was fat?
 
actually kwerk that's pretty decent tbh.

reg; i said 50g cos i always used to gauge on 30g but i actually read that a lot of folk hit 50g in a sitting although they weighed arounf the 200lb mark.
To me 50g would be wasting some, so i stick to around 30g ish.
 
Amp34 said:
Relatively light loads? Depends what you are doing. And yes someone lugging 20-50+KG weights around 8 hours a day 5 days a week for years can get a similar body shape to the picture IN THIS THREAD of the 4chan guy (I assume he is the one you mention? - is he famous?) The difference for a lot may be that they have a higher percentage of bodyfat (I'm not talking huge but just into double figures rather than 5-8%). Obviously someone wanting the bodyshape of Arnie will not be able to do it without dedication outside of a gym.

My definition of "toned" does not fit into your definition of bodybuilder then because "toned" to me is someone who spends say an hour on cardio and half an hour weights wanting to look and be all round fit. Having worked in a gym there is a massive difference (IMO) between those kind of people (general all round fit) and the meatheads who walk in and spend their entire time on the weights (the bodybuilders).
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Sorry mate, it just isn't possible, ridiculous freak genetics aside (and the guys who are labourers and also go to the gym...).

50kg isn't that much, and just carrying it won't provide the growth stimulus needed.

An important point that is easy to overlook is that there is a point at which having a certain amount of body fat makes you look "bigger", while not being as "toned". Someone who went to the gym for a few years could perhaps get as much total mass as that guy, but not as much lean mass (muscle).
kwerk said:
Then why eat such a high amount without steroids? That was my point. Steroids are the key catalyst.

Who will gain the most muscle mass? Let's say they are identical twins both 80kg.

A drug-free guy eating 300 grams including as much as he wants of the most expensive protein powder (and any other supplement for that matter)?

A guy using steroids eating 150 grams of eggs, milk, beef, chicken and fish?

And 150g is very easy to achieve I regularly eat 100g in a single sitting when I smoke or grill meat.
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What?

Because even without exogenous steroids the male body has a decent capacity to grow, so why would you limit this by not eating enough protein?

It also looks like you don't fully understand how much protein is in food. For beef, it's typically 20% protein, so you'd need 1.25kg of actual meat per day to get 250g of protein.

I'd like to see you regularly put away 750g of meat in one sitting. Yes it can be done, but it isn't "very easy".
kwerk said:
I'm coming to this thread as a rational outsider with critical thinking ability.

As opposed to all the self-proclaimed bodybuilders in here who are thoroughly biased due to their heavy emotional investment in 'bodybuilding'.
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Unfortunately, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I wouldn't go slinging around random "facts" about something like law or economics, because I don't know about those subjects. You're welcome to have an opinion, but you'd be a very foolish person if you assumed your ignorant musings were on a par with people who have spent years following the industry, or even done the things you are actually talking about.

Having just seen the pictures you've posted, you don't look terrible, but you're clearly tensing the bejesus out of your abs. You also have a *little* bit of muscle on your arms. In terms of lean mass, it's fairly miserable to be honest..
 
I'm not I'm just winding steve up :P You can be as vain as you like, it makes no difference to me as long as you don't have a steroid induced temper tantrum and start a fight with me.
 
Banzai_Joe said:
...Aaannddd therein shows your lack of knowledge in this subject.
The average human cannot assimilate that much protein in one meal. Excess protein is usually stored as fat or excreted out. Approx 50g of protein per meal is the accepted max i think nowadays.

BTW to get 100g of protein out of a portion of meat you must be taking in a lot of meat, which will probably take forever to digest anyway.....hence your body shape? Not trying to be personally offensive kwerk, but dude you gotta think before you start typing. Most of what you are saying is non-sensical based on non-knowledge.
I don't consider myself a bodybuilder (anymore) and i don't think steroids have a place in non-competitive bodybuilding. I don't think female bodybuilders that take it to the extreme are anything short of freakishly scary and ugly. But that's my opinion and people are welcome to differ.
You are stating things as if they are fact, but you simply do not know any better, and are too stubborn to bow the the superior knowledge of those that do know. (not necessarily me btw :cool:) And those that know would be the gym rats, because its what they do.
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That WAS true, some years ago ;)

It turns out that was a myth perpetuated by supplement companies. I get the majority of my protein in big lumps (usually in the bottom of a shaker :(;)) and there has been no difference at all. Read up on Intermittent Fasting at www.leangains.com if you're interested.
dowie said:
I'd assume that some of the arguments in here centre around what people consider bodybuilding to be.

I'd say some are simply referring to steroid abusing beasts we'd seen in some of the pics posted whereas other might well consider it to encompass any male with a gym membership who drinks protein shakes etc...

I do a mix of cardio and weight training to stay in shape - I used to do a lot more fitness training when I had a military career to worry about too but these days I guess part of the weight training is for vanity in addition to building/maintaining some level of strength. I wouldn't however consider myself to be body building/a bodybuilder - the main aim of my working out is to stay fit and I'm not interested in bulking up too much - thus I'm quite happy to do rather a lot of cardio...
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I kind of agree with you here, but really training to add muscle is bodybuilding, no matter how much your trying to add.

I'm a powerlifter rather than a bodybuilder, so I'm not interesting in packing much muscle on (need to stay in a weight class). However there are times when I need to do some bodybuilder-style training, it's just that it isn't my main focus.

I think the problem is that people simply don't want to be associated with the term, for reasons that can be seen with a quick read of this thread.
 
shoes said:
I'm not I'm just winding steve up :P You can be as vain as you like, it makes no difference to me as long as you don't have a steroid induced temper tantrum and start a fight with me.
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It's very rare that I get wound up... you're just boring me I'm afraid :(
 
First post, may as well start as I mean to go on :/

My life, is about me, amongst other things. I push myself to be the best I can be in the things that are important to me. To each their own but with that principle I can understand why people bodybuild and good luck to them, but to take steroids as well?! That's not being the best you can be it's being the best some geek in a lab can make you.

Wtf point in that? "Look at me! Aren't I great!". Nope, kudos to the geek in his/her lab maybe, but the user? Just another fake trying to be something they aren't and thinking having something makes them be something (see Erich Fromm).

Back on topic &... As for women, same goes. Natural all the way.
 
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My opinion is women like lean attractive men. Like a dude from a Gillette ad. Even a little bulk isn't bad.. Some are confusing being lean or having a little bulk as bodybuilding. When they get to big ripped / not realistic, that's when they've gone too far. My opinion is bodybuilders look GAY and are very shallow. I have absolutely no respect for them at all. Even taking into consideration the time and effort its taken.. Yes you have an abnormal amount of strength. But you look like a right dork.. And most women unless they're the bimbo type think so too. Good luck to you, if thats the kind of lady you want. Now go back into your sweaty gym full of other small dicked boys and go lug abnormal amounts in front of that mirror..

OK that's the men out of the way.

For the women... Well once again, fitness model types = oh yeah !!!!

Too much muscle, then back to being for the gays and lesbo's.. No normal man will want.

My missus is super lean and defined. She actually has an eight pack if clenched, and that's after two kids... She's slim petite but very defined. She knows that any more and I'd go yuck.. So does not work out other than cycling or running. She'll tell you what 95% of other women will tell you.. Bodybuidlers do nothing for her.

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