Radeon AIB Partners "Frustrated" at AMD

Mauller · 11 May 2016 at 14:33

N19h7m4r3 said:
O-M-F-G! It all makes sense! "CUDA Cores" They're just VSA-100 cores!

Nvidia needs to get back on 3DFX's level.

The VSA-100 is the first in a line of "Voodoo Scalable Architecture" chips and is the heart and soul of 3dfx’s Voodoo4 and Voodoo5 products. The word "Scalable" refers to the fact that multiple chips can be run in parallel, signifying the long awaited return of SLI to 3dfx's product line. There is support for up to 32-way SLI, which Quantum 3D will likely produce for extremely high-end applications. Each chip has its own 128-bit wide interface to memory, meaning that, unlike NVIDIA’s GeForce, the VSA-100 should not be limited by memory bandwidth. Although the memory is setup to be completely shared, texture data has to be repeated for each VSA-100 chip. This is typical of all current multi-chip solutions, such as 3dfx’s own Voodoo2 and ATI’s Rage Fury MAXX. However, the VSA-100 does have the advantage of FXT1/DXTC texture compression in hardware, which will minimize the amount of wasted space.

Well wasn't that something

Mauller · 11 May 2016 at 14:34

HAHAHA, you have to love this guys random FPS generator.

http://www.mobipicker.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-4k-benchmarks-leaked/

N19h7m4r3 · 11 May 2016 at 14:35

Orcvader said:
In all seriousness I have no idea what's going on in this subforum any more.

Happens everytime something new is coming up, and is close to launch. Everyone goes mental.

Rroff · 11 May 2016 at 14:35

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
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An image obtained from a previous nVidia's product development meeting:

GFX-Kid · 11 May 2016 at 14:37

humbug said:
With a Boost clock of 1733Mhz and Jens showing off a (no doubt hand picked card) 2.1Ghz overclock it equates to +20%.

The 970 has a reference boost clock of 1178Mhz, mine will run 24/7 at 1550Mhz, thats 30%.

Big numbers, not so big overclocks and a card not hand picked by Jens will probably only do +15%.

In reality a 1080 is 25% faster than a 980TI out of the box, but probably only 15% faster once both are overclocked.

A 1070 trading blows with a 980TI? out of the box maybe, but in the real world i would rather have a 980TI, i get the feeling the 980TI will #### on it.

£350, in reality for that i might get +30% if i'm lucky, thats not enough for 4 years stuck on 28nm at pretty much the same performance for the same price.

IMO people are getting far too worked up over this, absolutely sucked in so deep by all the hype.

Yeah, on reflection I definitely agree. These cards should have more performance. But this is why I am waiting to see the reviews.

If the likes of easyrider are right and the 1070 turn out to be slower than a 980Ti, it will be a fail really. Let's hope he is wrong, like he usually is

TheRealDeal · 11 May 2016 at 14:38

Mauller said:
HAHAHA, you have to love this guys random FPS generator.

http://www.mobipicker.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-4k-benchmarks-leaked/

Yea lol i love when there is an explosion and the fps on the gtx980ti side go up. Explosions usually tank fps not make it go up.

SiDeards73 · 11 May 2016 at 14:40

Mauller said:
HAHAHA, you have to love this guys random FPS generator.

http://www.mobipicker.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-4k-benchmarks-leaked/

Thats the dude who posts all the rubbish on WCCFTech, same dude

Khal Moam on Mobipicker
Khaleed Moammer on WCCFtech

The clickbait is strong in this one

Jono8 · 11 May 2016 at 14:43

SiDeards73 said:
Thats the dude who posts all the rubbish on WCCFTech, same dude

Khal Moam on Mobipicker
Khaleed Moammer on WCCFtech

The clickbait is strong in this one

In fairness if it is a heavily overclocked 2100mhz+ 1080 vs a stock 980 Ti ( which is what 1200mhz?) it could well be accurate.

Remember the 1080 only has a few hundred cuda cores less than a 980Ti and no doubt those cuda cores will at least have some IPC improvements so you could be looking at the equivalent of a 2100mhz 980ti vs a stock one (for example)

Mauller · 11 May 2016 at 14:47

Jono8 said:
In fairness if it is a heavily overclocked 2100mhz+ 1080 vs a stock 980 Ti ( which is what 1200mhz?) it could well be accurate.

Remember the 1080 only has a few hundred cuda cores less than a 980Ti and no doubt those cuda cores will at least have some IPC improvements so you could be looking at the equivalent of a 2100mhz 980ti vs a stock one (for example)

It is nowhere near double the performance of a 980 TI, there was a benchmark being run on the division that was on youtube with the 1080, and it only showed it around 5-10% faster than a titan x (stock boost) But the video was pulled.

Jono8 · 11 May 2016 at 14:47

Mauller said:
It is nowhere near double the performance of a 980 TI, there was a benchmark being run on the division that was on youtube with the 1080, and it only showed it around 5-10% faster than a titan x (stock boost) But the video was pulled.

Did you even read what I wrote :confused:

As I said the link says "The results are of a heavily overclocked GTX 1080 – over 2000mhz – vs a stock GTX 980 Ti." Spec wise, the 1080 is only 256 cuda cores down on a 980Ti and no doubt the pascal cores have at least some IPC improvements. Therefore the results could well be true, due to the vast core clock differen (over 2000mhz compared with the stock 980ti which is only about 1100mhz)

TonyTurbo78 · 11 May 2016 at 14:48

layte said:
A strategy which worked brilliantly for the FuryX.

Oh wait no, I mean worked terribly and was a huge fiasco.

Fury/FuryX was AMD biggest mistake and biggest all time launch flop to date for me. It was massively overhyped, massively overpriced and delivered something so boring with plenty of issues when it came to market, if you were actually able to get one due to huge stock issues. I see Polaris possibly going the same way due to wrong time to market, very little info t oexcite anyone etc etc. That's two huge hits in the space of what a year or so.

Rroff · 11 May 2016 at 14:51

TonyTurbo78 said:
Fury/FuryX was AMD biggest mistake and biggest all time launch flop to date for me. It was massively overhyped, and delivered something so boring with plenty of issues when it came to market. Polaris is going to be their 2nd biggest failure, wrong time to market, no info etc etc. That's two huge hits in the space of what a year or so. I suppose thank god it's got the console market, but for desktop hardware I'm not sure I understand how they are still afloat.

The marketing on the Fury line up was hopeless lol... unless they have something in the wings that is going to nail nVidia this time around they need to get talking about their top end Polaris card now - get people in the mindset for buying it over the 1070 sooner rather than later. Holding back now if they are gonna come off second best is gonna punish them.

humbug · 11 May 2016 at 15:13

2 Weeks, just 2 weeks and we will know.

Rroff · 11 May 2016 at 15:23

humbug said:
2 Weeks, just 2 weeks and we will know.

2 weeks of people sub-consciously making their mind up to buy the 1070

AMD is gonna have to hit it out the park to shake that.

Seanspeed · 11 May 2016 at 15:37

Rroff said:
The marketing on the Fury line up was hopeless lol... unless they have something in the wings that is going to nail nVidia this time around they need to get talking about their top end Polaris card now - get people in the mindset for buying it over the 1070 sooner rather than later. Holding back now if they are gonna come off second best is gonna punish them.

Releasing info now about how it's not going to match a 1070 doesn't exactly help the situation, though.

If I was on the marketing team for AMD, what I would do is release/leak the price. Assuming it's something like £200, that would get a lot of people excited. Dont leak performance figures, though.

This would accomplish two things

1) It would make people wait for P10 rather than jumping in for a 1070/1080 immediately. Basically staving off early hype for GP104.

2) When performance figures DO come out and they're not 1070-level, then people will at least be able to say, "Well it is a lot cheaper, this is expected."

Yea, people who want 1070 performance are going to buy a 1070, there's no helping that. If P10 cant compete on that level, it cant compete. But they can certainly play a smart strategy to take some of the wind out of Nvidia's sails right now while also setting a modest expectation of performance.

JediFragger · 11 May 2016 at 15:44

TonyTurbo78 said:
Fury/FuryX was AMD biggest mistake and biggest all time launch flop to date for me. It was massively overhyped, massively overpriced and delivered something so boring with plenty of issues when it came to market, if you were actually able to get one due to huge stock issues. I see Polaris possibly going the same way due to wrong time to market, very little info t oexcite anyone etc etc. That's two huge hits in the space of what a year or so.

To be absolutely far, the Fury line is obviously too soon for its time (being a predominantly DX12 gfx architecture).

I will say this, anyone who's got (a single card, not Crossfire the poor ****s) Fury then it will last longer than a 980Ti would

D.P. · 11 May 2016 at 15:45

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52056/rumor-amd-partners-showing-polaris-cards-computex/index.html

AMD won't have partners showing Polaris cards at Computex

Nordic Hardware reached out to us with their report, saying that AMD's partners "won't have any new cards to display at Computex and the only Polaris cards promoted to them from AMD are R9 390/390X performance class but for a mid-range price. Great value but no sign of any GTX 1080 contender"

Vague rumour but might substantiate the news of angry AMD exclusive AIBs.

Phixsator · 11 May 2016 at 15:52

Rroff said:
2 weeks of people sub-consciously making their mind up to buy the 1070 AMD is gonna have to hit it out the park to shake that.

got a friend who has 2x 290 non reference and the first thing he said to me today was, "im gonna get that 1080" and i asked him: "why?" to which he replied " im so tired of the heat and that 1080 is twice as fast as a titan x". *facepalm*

Seems to me many forget or overlook how hot the titan x and 980ti gets with a reference cooler. He wouldnt even listen to reason as i told him to wait to make his mind up until after the Polaris reveal. the fool even got a x34 freesync panel..

JediFragger · 11 May 2016 at 15:57

Phixsator said:
Seems to me many forget or overlook how hot the titan x and 980ti gets with a reference cooler. He wouldnt even listen to reason as i told him to wait to make his mind up until after the Polaris reveal. the fool even got a x34 freesync panel..

Tbf, Polaris is going to be mid-level at best it seems!! He'd be best picking up a bargain s/h Fury card once the 1070/1080's hit

humbug · 11 May 2016 at 16:00

D.P. said:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52056/rumor-amd-partners-showing-polaris-cards-computex/index.html

Vague rumour but might substantiate the news of angry AMD exclusive AIBs.

Computex really matters to hardware vendors, if i was an AMD exclusive GPU partner and had no new GPU's to take there i would be really really ####'ed too.