The Pascal GTX 1070 Owners Thread

wellibob · 28 Jul 2016 at 14:30

I think an extra 100 htz for the cost of water isn't worth it, unless it's what you do (watercool everything). I'd like to be proved wrong and see 2300 mhz.

Rroff · 28 Jul 2016 at 15:38

chrcoluk said:
Be aware the so called thermal throttling is probably TDP throttling, I tried to explain this to some others on another forum also. Its likely just coincidence it happens when card reaches temp you feel is the throttle point. Pascal cards have TDP limits set very agressively low.

That is what I'm seeing - mine sits at 1911MHz most of the time out the box but once temperatures go over 66C it will occasionally drop down a speed bin with reason design power limit - for some reason never does it under 66C. Gonna see what happens upping the power limit a bit later.

TNA · 28 Jul 2016 at 15:52

wellibob said:
I think an extra 100 htz for the cost of water isn't worth it, unless it's what you do (watercool everything). I'd like to be proved wrong and see 2300 mhz.

Of course not. I am just interested to see the results if anyone has done it

Greebo · 28 Jul 2016 at 16:46

wellibob said:
I think an extra 100 htz for the cost of water isn't worth it, unless it's what you do (watercool everything). I'd like to be proved wrong and see 2300 mhz.

I do watercooling for the silence, the overclocking is a bonus

Water cooling with the 1.25v Strix OC bios is getting 2.3 to 2.4

On air with the bios you get 2.1 to 2.2

SO there isnt a lot of room. Even the max watercooled is only 14% above the max aircooled.

KLM · 28 Jul 2016 at 16:46

chrcoluk said:
when gpuz reports VREL, it can be TDP related, what is happening is the bios is refusing to allow the higher voltage because it would exceed TDP usage limits, and as such the card has to throttle because the voltage that is allowed is not stable for that clock. What is the TDP % when you see VREL?

My card throttles even at 40C because even early on it hits TDP limits as it ramps up quickly to max clocks. It will initially goto 2068 but then throttle back to 2050 to stay within TDP.

just had quick run on valley, all I did was set core to +107 (2138mhz)

perf reason was vrel, which was 1.05v, tpd was at 60%

so I upped the volts too 100% and voltage was being used at 1.075 and the perf reason went off and it was fine. 2152 or +114 and it sucks 1.083 and I get artefacts.

Amatsubu · 28 Jul 2016 at 16:53

Rroff said:
That is what I'm seeing - mine sits at 1911MHz most of the time out the box but once temperatures go over 66C it will occasionally drop down a speed bin with reason design power limit - for some reason never does it under 66C. Gonna see what happens upping the power limit a bit later.

Same with my MSI, only that it drops to 1911 from 194x-196x at precisely 66c every time. If I overclock it will sit happily at 2076 after dropping down from 2088-2114. Wish it could be bypassed somehow, as OC doesn't seem to increase the temps in any way.

razorpakk · 28 Jul 2016 at 17:23

Amatsubu said:
My MSI definitely has thermal throttling and it sucks. It starts at 2114mhz until it hits 50c, then it goes to 2088 and finally stabilises at 2076 when the card hits 66c. It always happens, the card might be at 70-80% usage but as long as the it stays under 66c, I'll get 2088mhz instead of 2076mhz. It would be stable at 2114mhz but it just won't stay there, despite temps being nowhere near the limit and practically the same as without OC.

Besides, it only effectively boosts to 1911mhz out of the box for the same reason.

You clearly have no idea what's going on (between Boost 3.0 and power savings features), there's nothing to complain about your card's behaviour.

Amatsubu · 28 Jul 2016 at 17:38

razorpakk said:
You clearly have no idea what's going on (between Boost 3.0 and power savings features), there's nothing to complain about your card's behaviour.

I know what's going on and that it's supposed to behave like that. Just saying it doesn't need to throttle so agressively with those temps. The 970 dropped clocks under very heavy loads, the 1070 drops clocks without even breaking a sweat as soon as it gets to 60 and 66c.

razorpakk · 28 Jul 2016 at 17:41

Amatsubu said:
I know what's going on and that it's supposed to behave like that. Just saying it doesn't need to throttle so agressively with those temps. The 970 dropped clocks under very heavy loads, the 1070 drops clocks without even breaking a sweat as soon as it gets to 60 and 66c.

But it's meaningless numbers, losing 30 Mhz doesn't change gaming performance at all.

Amatsubu · 28 Jul 2016 at 17:52

razorpakk said:
But it's meaningless numbers, losing 30 Mhz doesn't change gaming performance at all.

Of course it doesn't and I'm not too fussed about it, just wanted to see how far the card would go without such overly strict temp limits but it's ultimately pointless, just as you say. Perfectly happy with stable 2076.

_Jimlad_ · 28 Jul 2016 at 17:54

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chrcoluk · 28 Jul 2016 at 18:52

Amatsubu said:
My MSI definitely has thermal throttling and it sucks. It starts at 2114mhz until it hits 50c, then it goes to 2088 and finally stabilises at 2076 when the card hits 66c. It always happens, the card might be at 70-80% usage but as long as the it stays under 66c, I'll get 2088mhz instead of 2076mhz. It would be stable at 2114mhz but it just won't stay there, despite temps being nowhere near the limit and practically the same as without OC.

Besides, it only effectively boosts to 1911mhz out of the box for the same reason.

here we go someone posted a graph, his temps peak over 70C

check the clock speed graph during the time his card was under load. See any throttling?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1601546/official-nvidia-gtx-1070-owners-club/1510#post_25388022

chrcoluk · 28 Jul 2016 at 18:55

KLM said:
just had quick run on valley, all I did was set core to +107 (2138mhz)

perf reason was vrel, which was 1.05v, tpd was at 60%

so I upped the volts too 100% and voltage was being used at 1.075 and the perf reason went off and it was fine. 2152 or +114 and it sucks 1.083 and I get artefacts.

60% O_o never seen a TDP usage so low at those clocks. wow. Your limit set to 250 watts or something?

My TDP usage goes to about 108% at 2050mhz in firestrike. In doom it is lower but only down to about 90%.

ok so we comparing apples to apples, I just fired up valley.

clock 2050

tdp usage 90-93%.

Yours at 60% is crazy. vddc is 1.05

I did a test whilst valley was running, I dropped the power limit to 90%, the clock dropped right away but gpuz only reported vrel as the reason.

welshdragon · 28 Jul 2016 at 19:28

Haven't registered my palit card warranty. Just looking at their site I would ahve to go through the retailer for any warranty. In this case ocuk. Would I thus need to register at all with palit then?

Jono8 · 28 Jul 2016 at 19:34

Jono8 said:
Has anyone registered their amp extreme online for the 5 year warranty and if so how long did it take you to get the warranty certificate back from them? I registered mine 5 days a go now but still nothing and wondering if I should chase it up or if it just takes them a bit of time to issue it.

Anyone?

Amatsubu · 28 Jul 2016 at 19:37

chrcoluk said:
here we go someone posted a graph, his temps peak over 70C

check the clock speed graph during the time his card was under load. See any throttling?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1601546/official-nvidia-gtx-1070-owners-club/1510#post_25388022

No, but that only proves that his EVGA doesn't drop clocks? As I've said, my temps usually peak at 66-67 and it will drop to 2076 no matter what at those temps. Well, unless it quite miraculously doesn't happen in benchmarks or it's just a trait of some cards. I don't know.

chrcoluk · 28 Jul 2016 at 19:37

Heaven is more demanding, if I run that with +100 voltage (1.09v), it cannot sustain it due to TDP even after 5 seconds. Valley cannot hold 1.09v due to TDP either but takes about a minute to down volt.

On my card due to TDP limit raising voltage really only achieves an extra 25mhz thats it but for an extra 5C temp, not worth it.

Even at 67C tho, I seen no clocks drop related to temps, it only dropped for TDP.

Heaven moves between 1.06 and 1.08v fighting the TDP limit.

chrcoluk · 28 Jul 2016 at 19:57

KLM said:
just had quick run on valley, all I did was set core to +107 (2138mhz)

perf reason was vrel, which was 1.05v, tpd was at 60%

so I upped the volts too 100% and voltage was being used at 1.075 and the perf reason went off and it was fine. 2152 or +114 and it sucks 1.083 and I get artefacts.

With vsync on (60fps) my tdp usage is similar to yours, I guess you got vsync on.

My final observation is this.

When power limit is slightly limited, gpuz reports VREL whilst card throttles.
When power limit is heavily limited gpuz will report PWR and card will throttle much more.
When voltage is maxed out gpuz will also report VREL and I do agree that the default shipped bios is limited to 1.09v (possibly also hardware side).

I turned my fans right down and managed to get my card up to 73C, the card I think is downclocking slightly at 70C but its not conclusive, I would have to do a lot more testing.

When i set TDP limit to 60% in afterburner with vsync off, clocks were down to 1600mhz

At 50% they were maxwell speeds circa 1400-1500mhz.

chrcoluk · 28 Jul 2016 at 20:00

welshdragon said:
Haven't registered my palit card warranty. Just looking at their site I would ahve to go through the retailer for any warranty. In this case ocuk. Would I thus need to register at all with palit then?

yeah I got same question, their website doesnt seem to let UK people register and just says to go through the retailer which is a bit odd.