Tesla Model S

PMKeates · 18 May 2014 at 11:51

-westy- said:
I think the sales strength of these cars may lie in company car schemes, where the companies can afford to supply charging points at the workplace along with reducing the company's carbon footprint.

The viability of the Tesla Model S in company car schemes in Europe will be determined by the predicted Residual Values. Low RV = high lease rates = unlikely purchase. Unless Tesla bring their RV guarantee to Europe..

Skeeter · 18 May 2014 at 11:59

RV Guarantee? Do they promise to buy it back at a set value?

PMKeates · 18 May 2014 at 12:06

http://www.teslamotors.com/financing/faq

Tesla’s Resale Value Guarantee allows owners to sell their Model S back to Tesla between the end of months 36 and 39, regardless of the loan’s term. The resale amount is specified at the time of delivery and is forecasted to be higher than any high volume premium sedan brand (Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar or Lexus). This value is equal to 50% of the original base purchase price of the 60 kWh Model S plus 43% of the original purchase price for all of the options, including the upgrade to the 85 kWh battery pack (exclusive of taxes, fees, and accessories).

Glaucus · 18 May 2014 at 12:12

Skeeter said:
240v gives you 3kw or 7kw options. The 11kw and 22kw options both require 400v and are under the 'High Speed Charging' section which is tagged as 'coming 2015' (although I'm not sure which part of it is due in 2015 as the dual charger option within the car can be selected now).

And as Davey said, anything you have installed at home is only available when your at home. Unless you refuse to visit anyone unless they live next to a super charger point, there will be times when a wall socket is your only option.

240v doesn't give you anything with out amps. And no they are not 400v. They are 240v

Skeeter · 18 May 2014 at 12:22

Glaucus said:
240v doesn't give you anything with out amps. And no they are not 400v. They are 240v

From the Tesla website:

The most you will get from a home charger is 22 miles range per charge hour.

Glaucus · 18 May 2014 at 12:24

Post something into the quote. Neither charger is 400v

Skeeter · 18 May 2014 at 12:26

Glaucus said:
Post something into the quote. Neither charger is 400v

Its a spoiler tag as I cba to resize the image.

PMKeates · 18 May 2014 at 12:26

22 kW from 230V is 92A. My entire house is fed from the grid by only 100A (and that's above average), so using 92A to charge a car is never going to happen.

Jokester · 18 May 2014 at 12:29

I would assume the 400V version is 3ph as well.

Glaucus · 18 May 2014 at 12:31

Skeeter said:
From the Tesla website:

The most you will get from a home charger is 22 miles range per charge hour.

Would help if your pic worked. Unlike what you say they are not 400v. They are both 240v needing either a 50a or 100a circuit

Edit - your pic is working now, still it's not 400v. Why not I don't know just clock on the Tesla S page, which you should have done from the start. On the roadster page by any chance?

Skeeter · 18 May 2014 at 12:31

Jokester said:
I would assume the 400V version is 3ph as well.

It is.

Skeeter · 18 May 2014 at 12:32

Does my pic not work for anyone else? Bloody photobucket!

Glaucus · 18 May 2014 at 12:33

PMKeates said:
22 kW from 230V is 92A. My entire house is fed from the grid by only 100A (and that's above average), so using 92A to charge a car is never going to happen.

my understanding is 50amp most people can use while 100amp may require upgrade which you can do.
Either are not 36hrs or 400v

megakid · 18 May 2014 at 12:34

Beepcake said:
I had a test drive in one yesterday, drove it for 45mins or so.. I can post up a mini "review" if anyone is interested.

I would be interested if you have time!

Been doing a bit of research on charging points, it seems the UK is ahead of the curve with a network called Ecotricity and Source London etc all which have a swipe card membership (currently £10 a year for Source London, free for Ecotricity) which gives you unlimited free access to hundreds of points on motorways, and in towns across the country. Many have 22kW+, some are 40kW+ CHAdeMO ones - meaning 140mile range per hour charge - with the Tesla to CHAdeMO adapter. This is all without the Tesla Supercharger network that is due (first one opening in South Mimms M25 shortly).

All this has reduced my fears of range being too much of an issue. Ok journeys might take an extra hour or so, and require a little more planning but that's all part of the fun right?

(... Something that I'm sure I won't be saying when I'm sat in Burger King for the 3rd time that day for half an hour each go.

)

PMKeates · 18 May 2014 at 12:35

Glaucus said:
my understanding is 50amp most people can use while 100amp may require upgrade which you can do.
Either are not 36hrs or 400v

'May require upgrade' - I'm pretty certain that 90%+ homes in e.g. the UK cannot draw 100A via any means without modifications to the external supply (that is not the property of the homeowner). Many new builds have a 60A cap, so will require modifications even for a 50A draw.

Jokester · 18 May 2014 at 12:37

Yeah, my incomer is 63A, so ok I could probably use a 50A supply, but it doesn't leave me much else for the rest of my home!

Glaucus · 18 May 2014 at 12:38

PMKeates said:
'May require upgrade' - I'm pretty certain that 90%+ homes in e.g. the UK cannot draw 100A via any means without modifications to the external supply (that is not the property of the homeowner). Many new builds have a 60A cap, so will require modifications even for a 50A draw.

The 100amp may heed your supply to upgrade you, which from what I've read is not hard. Most people should be able to run 50amps, even other current chargers are 40amp.

No where is it 400v. And you have to get these things professionally installed anyway. Most people would get the single charger, that charges to full over night.

Skeeter · 18 May 2014 at 12:38

PMKeates said:
'May require upgrade' - I'm pretty certain that 90%+ homes in e.g. the UK cannot draw 100A via any means without modifications to the external supply (that is not the property of the homeowner). Many new builds have a 60A cap, so will require modifications even for a 50A draw.

So once again 'theoretical' situations get spouted as fact by the Guru Glaucus...

Glaucus · 18 May 2014 at 12:40

Skeeter said:
So once again 'theoretical' situations get spouted as fact by the Guru Glaucus...

Didums crying again are we, your 400v has been blown out the water.

All these things depend on your situation, they can and are installed. So pull another one.

[TW]Fox · 18 May 2014 at 12:41

Glaucus said:
The 100amp may heed your supply to upgrade you

Seriously, what does this even say? Your massively undermine your credibility in technical threads like this by not taking 20 seconds to check what you've typed makes sense before you hit submit.