Cooking with Jonny69: Picking cooking knives. BIG SHINY ONES!!!

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Trying hard here to not scare everyone but I like big knives and I've got loads of them! Big knives impress me and I'm drawn to them when I see them shining in a shop. Luckily mine are all in the kitchen and I only use them for hacking food up but I've noticed that some make more of a mess than others. I'm not professing to be any kind of expert and this is by no means an extensive guide but this is where you might like to start.

First things first there are lots and lots of knives out there and you've got fashionable knives and classic cook's knives. I would avoid the fashionable knives and go for a classic style knife any day. This is purely my own opinion but the way I see it is the kitchen knife evolved into a certain shape because that's what worked best. By fashionable knives I mean all those ones with the funny shaped 'ergonomic' handles, designery names etc. You might prefer them but personally I don't, the best thing to do is go and try some out and see what you like.

What to look for:

Most important is the steel on the blade. Cheap knives use softer steel and go blunt quickly. They bend, you'll be forever sharpening them and you'll wear it out in no time. A good guide to the quality of the knife is if it's a Sabatier. Sabatier isn't a 'make' it's more of a conformant to how the knife is made, the grade of steel used and it's a pretty good start if you haven't bought knives before. If you know your steels then ultimately the best way to judge your knife is to have a feel of it and you'll be able to tell if it's good or bad. Generally a hard steel goes *schinnnngggggg* satisfactorily when you pull it out the block and you'll smile when it happens and call someone over so you can show them. Then when you buy them you will want to show all your mates or they will pick the knife up and be impressed that it sounds Hollywood good. Hard steel rings and soft doesn't, harder steel is also duller in colour and less chrome looking as a general rule.

Make sure the blade has a constant curve along its length. Some knives have a straight section down near the handle end of the blade and if the quality control isn't great you can end up with it going the wrong way and your knife won't cut all the way through your food! Just something to look for and be aware of...

Price:

These are the knives I have at the moment:

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I got the block of 5 for just under £100 in Debenhams. It was a brand I hadn't heard of but I was so impressed with the quality of the knives I knew they were the ones. The set comprises of a 10" cook's knife, a very sturdy 10" bread knife, a 10" carving knife, 4" paring knife and 6" vegetable knife. I also have a thin bladed cleaver which I use a lot of the time.

As a guide on price you want to be spending at least £20 per knife if you buy them individually and at least the same again on a steel to keep them sharp. You don't need a lot of knives, for day to day cooking these are the knives I use the most:

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The cleaver gets used for practically everything and it sharpens up much easier and better than my other knives. That's more down to the shape of it I think but I use it for slicing meat, vegetables, chopping onion and garlic and chopping herbs. The added height of the blade also means I can chop quite fast against my knuckles without hacking my fingers off and note it's not a hacking type of cleaver for going through bones, it's more of a tall bladed knife. The cook's knife I tend to use for heavier duty stuff where I need the added blade length that the cleaver doesn't have and the paring knife is just the most used knife of the lot. It's just 'right' for practically everything and is razor sharp.

I paid £25 for my cleaver and it was money well spent, I've seen a similar model in a shop in Bluewater called Professional Cookware or something like that but it looks almost identical and the steel felt very nice.

Keeping them Sharp:

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You need a good steel. Again use your own judgement on this but usually price is a good indicator of quality above a certain mark, I think mine was about £30. The steel must be as hard as your knives or you will shave it smooth. I used a cheap Kitchen Devils steel on my good knives and it got me nowhere apart from blunt knives, a pile of metal shavings and a dead steel. There are two types of sharpening steel: metal and ceramic. I've only ever used a metal one and that's been enough to keep my knives sharp. Global recommend you use their ceramic one and that may well be the best for their knives but I can't comment as I haven't tried it myself. To learn how to use a steel it really is best if you can get someone to show you how to do it properly. Most department stores with a cooking section will have someone there who is good at sharpening knives and will be able to recommend you a steel and show you how to use it. John Lewis is good for this. How much you have to sharpen them is down to the knife and what you use it for but I give them a once over every fourfth or fifth use as they stay pretty sharp.

I also recommend a wooden block as it helps keep the knives sharp. The last thing you want is for them to be rattling around in the cutlery drawer or to be stuck in a put with other utensils. They will go blunt and big blunt knives are bloody dangerous. The reason blunt knives are more dangerous than sharp ones is because of the added pressure you put on when you're cutting. A sharp blade will slice through most stuff when you pull it towards you but a blunt one will need lots of downward pressure. My 10" cook's knife will go through a raw chicken carcass like butter and your fingers are no different! Some people like to keep their knives up the other way in the block so the blade is facing upwards, again, personal preference but I haven't found it detrimental keeping them blade down.

Naturally your cutting board should be either plastic or wood. Don't use those glass ones on 'hygiene' grounds as you'll slip about on them and blunt your knives. Chopping boards are cheap, your knives aren't!

There are a few pro chefs in this forum so hopefully we should get some quality input from them, because as I said this is by no means meant to be an extensive guid and is no doubt inaccurate in places.
 
Jonny69 said:
...not scare everyone but I like big knives and I've got loads of them!

Brilliant! :D

On a serious note I've been thinking about buying some decent knives soon, not that I can actually cook or anything, so I'll be watching this thread with some interest....nice going!
 
Jonny69 said:
Oh yeah and BE CAREFUL when they are int he washing up bowl under the suds. You might as well have a bowl of hot water laced with razor blades :D
I've done that before. Forgot a sharp knife was in the bowl, stuck my hand in to wash up and noticed the water was turning slightly red after a while.
Didn't feel a thing though.
 
Haircut said:
I've done that before. Forgot a sharp knife was in the bowl, stuck my hand in to wash up and noticed the water was turning slightly red after a while.
Didn't feel a thing though.

I believe thats the reason emos slit their wrists in a warm bath? :p


I recently got an awesome set of knives from Harrods as a wedding gift. Some German brand.
 
Jonny69 said:
Oh yeah and BE CAREFUL when they are int he washing up bowl under the suds. You might as well have a bowl of hot water laced with razor blades :D

The trick there is to hold the knife at all times while cleaning it. Don't just chuck em in the bowl :)

*works on Meat & Fish counter*
 
Jonny69 said:
Global recommend you use their ceramic one and that may well be the best for their knives but I can't comment as I haven't tried it myself.
It's very good but I wouldn't recommend it. A metal steel bounces when you drop it - a ceramic one shatters!

Knives are a personal thing and some chefs like to have a knife for every food and occasion and some like to keep it simple. I'm one of the latter and I've only got three knives in my 'armoury' - my main knife, a bread knife and a paring knife. The bread knife is serrated and serves it's purpose; the paring knife is for those really fiddly little jobs that my main knife can't really handle (although I do now find myself using the paring knife less and less); my main knife is an 18cm Global Vegetable Chopper (around £50) and is my pride and joy. Beautifully weighted, high enough to find my fingers under (crucial for chopping) and easy to manoeuvre around all foods.

I really think that you only need one main knife and that you should get to know it and love it - I'm better with that single knife than I think I'd be with a whole selection.

I don't use a steel to sharpen my knives because I've got a little cookware store about 10 minutes walk away from me that has a professional sharpener come in twice a week (who also does all the restaurant kitchens around here) who does a better job than I ever could for £2 a knife. I'll get mine sharpened once or twice a month and that usually does the trick. Before that I used to use a MinoSharp Water Sharpener which kept my Global nice and sharp.

In addition to what Jonny says, don't think that a steel will sharpen any knife. It'll only keep a sharpened knife sharp; you'll need a whetstone (or similar) if yours has lost it's edge. Best to take it to a pro if that's the case.
 
That knife I linked too in my previous post has lasted me 7 years. I got a whetstone and a steel too. I might do a video on how to sharpen knives and steel them along with my Salmon filleting record. See this thread.
 
Yeah - having worked as a chalet host last year - a set of Globals was the dog's danglies!

Sharp as you like - and nicely styled too! Just like my Lian Li... cheesegrater look :)
 
globals are great and cant fault them,

but for a 'workhorse' knife I can really recommend the Victorinox fibrox handled ones, they are indestructable and survived being in a Pro kitchen with people keeping on borrowing them, they hold a good edge (not quite as good as the globals) but are completely bomb proof
 
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