[Warning Fudzilla] GeCube HD 2900XT beats 8800GTS 640MB

Tom|Nbk · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:11

An updated review from fudzilla, fair enough he is known for his speculation etc, etc and criticised for it. But this is a fair review done with both 7.5s and 7.6s shows the card in a much more positive light against the GTS.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1744&Itemid=40

helmutcheese · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:18

Ahh well the GTS 640 is not the top Nvidia card.

Tom|Nbk · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:20

helmutcheese said:
Ahh well the GTS 640 is not the top Nvidia card.

Yea but the 2900 was never going to be a GTX competitor

bfar · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:23

Tom|Nbk said:
Yea but the 2900 was never going to be a GTX competitor

It should have been

Tom|Nbk · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:25

bfar said:
It should have been

Suppose but ask yourself which sell more the GTS or GTX,

Dutch Guy · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:27

Tom|Nbk said:
Yea but the 2900 was never going to be a GTX competitor

Maybe not now but I am sure that a while ago that was the idea, until they got problems with the cores.

Looks liek AMD did a lot of driver optimising, especially in Company of Heroes, but F.E.A.R. still shows a bigger drop in framerate when enabling 4xAA where the 2900XT's score is more than halved

helmutcheese · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:28

Yip it was ATI's current flagship aimed at the Crown, just did not work out same as Nvidias FX5000's

Tom no excuses, sellling more or less has nothing to do with it, fact is most users wont buy a £400-500 GTX/Ultra, they are not mainstream, Intel has that market.

pieman109 · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:28

Would the framerate drop when AA is applied be anything to do with this "AA being done with/in shaders?

Tom|Nbk · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:29

Dutch Guy said:
Maybe not now but I am sure that a while ago that was the idea, until they got problems with the cores.

Looks liek AMD did a lot of driver optimising, especially in Company of Heroes, but F.E.A.R. still shows a bigger drop in framerate when enabling 4xAA where the 2900XT's score is more than halved

Yea perhaps if they had done another respin it could have been a winner, but I guess they had already lost enough cash designing it and couldn't afford it or justify it, maybe they think they should have now.

helmutcheese · 4 Jul 2007 at 14:30

dp soz

Dutch Guy · 4 Jul 2007 at 15:01

Tom|Nbk said:
Yea perhaps if they had done another respin it could have been a winner, but I guess they had already lost enough cash designing it and couldn't afford it or justify it, maybe they think they should have now.

They had a choice of delaying even longer or go with what they had at the time and they chose the latter.

I think the large performance drop is because AA is done in shaders and if it is with a game that relies heavily on shaders the drop is bigger than a game that isn't 'shader heavy'

melbourne720 · 4 Jul 2007 at 15:12

I'm glad for people who bought this card, this is more like the performance they've been expecting and deserve.

I'm still shocked it can't beat a GTX with all the power it consumes, but at the same price at a GTS 640MB it gives people something to think about.

Now I wonder if they thought about doing a 256MB version to take on the 8800 GTS 320MB?

KangooVanMan · 4 Jul 2007 at 15:29

Or an XL version that has a puny cooler, but OC's like billy'o

Tom|Nbk · 4 Jul 2007 at 16:02

Dutch Guy said:
They had a choice of delaying even longer or go with what they had at the time and they chose the latter.

I think the large performance drop is because AA is done in shaders and if it is with a game that relies heavily on shaders the drop is bigger than a game that isn't 'shader heavy'

Precisely.

jrodga2k5 · 4 Jul 2007 at 16:57

it WAS supposed to be a GTX competitor at a GTS price and ended up a GTS competitior at a GTS price.

Nice to see its getting a nice boost...finally!

wellibob · 4 Jul 2007 at 17:15

I would have liked to see ATi`s card whip nvidia, we will just have to see whats around the corner. I was temptred to get a 2900XT , but gave in to the 8800GTS 640 meg.

shrek2 · 4 Jul 2007 at 17:15

I have just ordered a GTX but I wonder how quick this thing is overclocked.

Cyber-Mav · 4 Jul 2007 at 17:22

Dutch Guy said:
I think the large performance drop is because AA is done in shaders and if it is with a game that relies heavily on shaders the drop is bigger than a game that isn't 'shader heavy'

that makes no sense, ati themselves said that the future of games is more shader usage, they said this when they released the x1900xt cards.

so why would they cripple thier own hardware with shader based AA knowing that the future of games will be more shader instensive?

they pulled a FX, thats for sure. not the question is can they bounce back?

esiemi · 4 Jul 2007 at 17:38

well done ATI, nearly a year late and still there is no solid proof of 2900 beating GTS, and even if really beats GTS what about the heat/fan/noise/AA etc issues.

jaykay · 4 Jul 2007 at 17:46

esiemi said:
well done ATI, nearly a year late .

Way less than a year, more near half a year which isnt that bad.