Anyone spent extended amounts of time in the extreme cold? Need clothing advise

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Howdy!

I'm going to Iceland in March and will be spending most of it outdoors at night, going on a photography northern lights trip you see.

I'm starting to look into clothing for it, I'm fairly sure a jumper and jeans isn't going to cut the mustard out there.

Has anyone ever spent or know about spending long amounts of times (6hours at a time) at potentially -20C conditions without moving about?

If so I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and suggestions on what to wear :)

Annoyed would be one way of putting it if I grab any old North Face jacket and turns out it's a load of crap :p

All info welcome :)

Thanks,
Jake
 
Used my RAB down jacket in -28C before now, although not standing still - I would recommend that you go to somewhere like Snow n Rock or Ellis Brigham and explain what it is you are going to be doing and they'll be able to advise better. Its not going to be cheap equipment though.
 
its common sense really, get some good thick socks and boots,

then think layers, base layer, middle layers, outer layer etc,

hoods and and good hats, along with pro gloves.

pay good money for base layers, and out layer jackets and trousers, all the inbetween stuff can be anything if its lightweight.

and make sure you get hold of a Iceland girl to keep those nights warm and cosy ;-)
 
It's the non-moving nature that's probably going to be the biggest problem. As soundood says a number of layers that you can easily remove/replace as necessary will be vital. The base layer is probably best to be made of some sort of wicking material to take sweat away from the body as it will be uncomfortable and probably lead to chafing.

As Dr Delphi suggests a good outdoors shop should be able to advise you further on what you need.

At those sort of temperatures you'll probably need to give some consideration to your equipment and how it will cope - there's also the practical issues such as how to operate the shutter and change settings so you might need to think about what sort of gloves/mittens you can wear. I'd probably go with a thin pair of gloves which you use inside a larger pair of water/windproof gloves.

Remember that if the temperature is -20C that with windchill it could effectively be significantly lower so make sure that your outer garments (at least) are windproof and be sure to cover up extremities as much as possible. It's all too easy to get chapped noses/ears/cheeks if you aren't careful.

//edit last thought for the moment - if you're going for the Northern Lights then it will mostly be at night naturally but remember that during the daytime that you'll have to deal with the sun above and the reflected glare below if there's snow/ice on the ground so good eyewear is another essential and also somewhat surprisingly for some people - sunblock is extremely useful when you consider that the light is coming from two directions in effect.
 
I was in Iceland last Christmas. - I'd recommend the silk thermals; as above, they're really good at wicking whilst also being really light and surprisingly effective.

For the most part I just wore; thermals, trousers, salopettes over the top, t-shirt, jumper, and ski jacket. - Don't forget some kind of hat.

Keep the camera inside your jacket to keep it warm and the battery will hold-out a lot longer.

It's not within the Arctic circle, so there are plenty colder places (despite the name). - This is all we were wearing around Akureyri:
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(It's about dinner time; that's why we were at Subway.)

Middle of the day; the jacket is off, so just thermals and a t-shirt and jumper:
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Finally; without the use of a digital SLR, this is the best I could do with the Northern Lights:
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Without moving =,layeres and a down jacket (synthetic is better of it's wet but down is warmer) but be ready for if walking uphill you will quickly get very hot so make sure.you can strip layeres. Wind proof jacket for when still is also excellent.

Oh and one thing that you must 100% have is a big pair of very warm mittens if you take your gloves off to adjust stuff and for whatever reason your fingers Getty too cold you will not be able to put gloves back on, mittns however you can always get on seriously these things can save your hands/fingers from amputation and that's in British ice climbing weather let alone Icelandic
 
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Great advice so far. Thanks all!

And Derek, I don't have the genes built into me to deal with the extreme cold like you. :p
 
Check out Icebreaker bodyfit 200/260 marino base layers. These are fantastic, wicking and stink proof!! I use them for skiing in January. My step son works as a farrier in Norway and swears by them (the 260 knit).
 
Great advice so far. Thanks all!

And Derek, I don't have the genes built into me to deal with the extreme cold like you. :p

Made an edit please read it :p, that be advice from my mountain rescue in his spare time doctor for job brother :p
 
Oh by the way, not to worry about the the camera equipment, been reading/speaking lots on various forums about it. Basically the camera will work in those conditions (and colder) but the killer for it is condensation.

How we avoid it, put all the cameras/lenses in a duffle bag or similar and when going from the hotel to outside do not take the cameras out of the bag until it has reached the outside temperature naturally, same when coming indoors really.

Just need to keep the bag zipped up so the cold/hot doesn't rush in/out.
 
Side point but I know some guys who specialised in operating in extreme cold.

As much as it soudns really silly but watch for dehydration. The extreme cold will make your body want to shed water (the need a pee because its cold outside syndrome), and you can easily lose a lot more liquid than you are taking in as you probably will not have the same mental thoughts of I must drink as you would if you were say going to the desert.
 
Well hopefully I can add a bit here as I've spend a fortnight inthe arctic circle where it was -30C and have been camping a few times around -15C. Simply put trapped air is what will keep you warm, you want to have a thick a layer as possible between your skin and the "outside". Also moisture is not a good thing in extreme cold, try to avoid waterproof membranes as you get condensation that will freeze on the inside, try to go for natural and breathable fabrics where possible, you don't really need to worry about waterproof as the water outside will be ice and won't get into your clothes (except if kneeling or sitting in the snow where you can get melting), much more important is getting moisture from your body out.

Base layer - Merino wool 200 weight. I've played around with synthetic and silk base layers in the past, they're not bad but they're nowhere near as good as merino wool in terms of warmth, odour and comfort. Saying that though you could slip a silk base layer on underneath too for a bit extra. You'll be looking at £50-60 each for legs and top, e.g. Icebreaker.

Mid layer - Merino wool in the 400-600 weight range, probably better to go with 600 if you're going to be stationary. ~ £100 e.g. Woolpower.

Trousers - something with a good bit of synthetic insulation, manly because if you're likely to be kneeling or sitting you may get a little water ingress. Something like pile and Pertex or synthetic batting like Primaloft. ~£100 e.g. Rab photon pants.

Down jacket - I'd go with a jacket that has a more generous cut rather than the more athletic cut for active sports, also the more insulation the better. Definately keep away from the light weight down jackets (the ones with narrow baffles) as they won't give enough insulation. ~£200 e.g. Rab Summit or if you have the money you could go for a Canada Goose jacket.

Boots - you'll want something insulated and comfortable and most importantly not a tight fit as tight fitting boots will limit blood flow and lead to cold feet. There are lots of options here really, some options are Sorrel, Lundhags, Muck-boots or even ex-military arctic boots for a cheap option. Price anything from £50-£300+

Socks - again merino wool, they give the best warmth to weight ratio, you shouldn't need more than one pair on at a time if you get good winter/artic boots as above.

Hat - personal choice really, I'd probably go for something like a stretch fit beanie and a nice insulated hat on top so you can mix and match depending how warm you are. Also it depends if your jacket hood too, you may not need so much insulation if you have a good hood.

Gloves - again a layerying system will work best here, a thin liner glove so you can operate your camera while keeping some protection and dexterity and then an insulated mitten on top. Mittens are warmer than gloves because there is less surface area than gloves and your fingers are more mobile and can keep blood pumping, they also share heat kind of like jumping in a sleeping bag to share heat with someone with hypothermia.

That's about it really, It's not going to be cheap to be properly prepared but you really don't want to bugger about at -20C or colder with wind chill. You could try looking at the classifieds on outdoor forums or ebay to try and snag some bargains, or sell the kit when you get back. Make sure you go to a good outdoor store too, not many of the people working there would have much experience of extreme cold and would advise you based on what they have in the shop and assumptions, I wouldn't have known when I worked in one when I was in my early 20s at university.
 
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Thermal underwear (long johns), merino wool is very good. Then lots of layers, polar tea thinsulate is very nice. Then get a larg down jacket, at least 800 fill down- just be careful when it is wet outside. On the outside take a wind proof shell, goretex Pro shell - make sure it fits over down jacket.

Merino wool socks, very thick, get a good fit.

Gloves you should double up or even triple up. When it is really cold I have silk glove liners, inside a polar tea thinsulate soft shell glove which can fit inside a large goretex mitten or oversized gloves. That way I can take my hand out of the mitten/outer glove to operate the camera etc and ke my hands warm. Another option is silk liners, inside down mittens inside goretex outer.


However, whatever you do you should make sure you don't get too hot and sweat. Sweating is very dangerous in the cold, and very easy to do if you are exercising at all. E.g. If you hike into an area to photograph then you will be much warmer than standing still taking photos. Take layers you can add and remove. It is better to be slightly cold but dry wit more clothes in your backpack to put n, than warm but sweaty and no dry layers to change not. Ad you really don't want to change your base layer outside.
 
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