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6700k vs 5820k

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Currently looking at the overall bang for buck, and if someone could put me together a CPU motherboard and Ram.
How does Ram speeds affect Skylake and Haswell-E???
Also, with the 5820k, what motherboards are good for the money?


POINT TO MAKE: THE CPU'S ARE THE SAME COST FOR ME, DON'T BASE DECISIONS OFF PRICES OF CPU.

Now thats out of the way, what are a few good boards and nice/good ram for both Chipsets?

Looking at the Gigabyte Sniper Z170 (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...cket-1151-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-537-gi.html) board for the 6700k and these for X99:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...cket-2011-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-301-ms.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...cket-2011-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-300-ms.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...cket-2011-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-299-ms.html

I am really stuck on which one to go for, ill mainly be gaming, but may end up streaming the future.
 
Well gaming will be great on both. A touch better on skylake, but 5820k will be better for video encoding etc.

So just decide if you want pure gaming or the little boost in encoding.

There has been lots of drama around the comparison this week on here but I think either option is gonna give you an undeniably powerful pc.
 
Well gaming will be great on both. A touch better on skylake, but 5820k will be better for video encoding etc.

So just decide if you want pure gaming or the little boost in encoding.

There has been lots of drama around the comparison this week on here but I think either option is gonna give you an undeniably powerful pc.

Yeah, i can defiantly agree, and both will be a big upgrade over my current 8320?
Do you think the 5820k is worth the extra motherboard money in terms of pure power and 'future-proofing' as people love to say??
 
~5% slower per core but 50% more cores for the same build cost.

No brainer really, Six 5820K cores will last you far longer than an extra 5% Skylake IPC.
 
5820k, especially when DX10 is the norm, should last you a long time. the z170 platform is rather appealing also, but there isn't much justification for it over a 6 core x99 system.

I keep mulling the possibilities myself incase I can't last 'till the Zen arrives.
 
5820k, especially when DX10 is the norm, should last you a long time. the z170 platform is rather appealing also, but there isn't much justification for it over a 6 core x99 system.

I keep mulling the possibilities myself incase I can't last 'till the Zen arrives.

Suppose it is going to be worth the extra money, shame MSI wont release the bloody Sniper board on X99!!!
 
Big fan of the MSI boards myself. Quite like the gaming series as red/black is my thing. I really like they layout of the z170 gaming 5 or 7 IO shield and 2 m.2 ports between the PCI slots. I really hope to hell they bring boards of this quality to the Zen platform or I'll be very disappointed.
 
On the 6700k, you're sacrificing 2 cores for a very small IPC gain. If you're okay with that, then you want to go for Skylake. However, you almost definitely do not want to do that right now, because Skylake prices are heavily inflated. Either wait for them to settle, or go X99.
 
On the 6700k, you're sacrificing 2 cores for a very small IPC gain. If you're okay with that, then you want to go for Skylake. However, you almost definitely do not want to do that right now, because Skylake prices are heavily inflated. Either wait for them to settle, or go X99.

Like i said, prices dont matter, ignore them.
 
Big fan of the MSI boards myself. Quite like the gaming series as red/black is my thing. I really like they layout of the z170 gaming 5 or 7 IO shield and 2 m.2 ports between the PCI slots. I really hope to hell they bring boards of this quality to the Zen platform or I'll be very disappointed.

They are really really clean. Love the look of them, Just wish they werent all in red and white :p
Thinking of going 5820k and the MSI Krait at the moment.
Any other motherboard recommendations?
 
This topics been done to death here
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18698497
and other places...
no the doubt thesuperlouis and Simon Belmont with be along shortly to tell you to buy Skylake as its newer with (slightly) better per core clocking (i.e. maximum per core overclock potential) and better IPC (instructions per clock) that Haswell/ Haswell-E.

This is what I would suggest you consider:

6700K
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Pros

- cool/low power

- access to modern motherboard features i.e. full speed m.2 slots and USB 3.1

- fairly good clocker (maximum attainable GHz overclocked)

- Current best IPC per clock (amount of instuctions that can be dealt with within a clock cycle)

Cons

- stupidly expensive due to shortages and suspected price gouging by Intel to recoup money lost getting their CPU's down to 14nm. The core itself is comparable to the size of a previous gen i3 and traditionally the size of a core has been a key factor in the cost of a CPU. As a smaller core means more CPU's can be made from a production wafer.

- Doesn't clock (maximum attainable GHz) better that previous generations of consumer CPU's

- Your paying for an iGPU that your unlikely to use much if your a gamer/enthusiast

- You will be limited in the future to a 4 core / 8 threaded CPU - this may become crucial if high end gaming shifts to take advantage of more cores in the future.

Given the trouble Intel has maintaining progress with CPU die shrinks at the moment I suspect there will be a renewed focus on selling CPU's with more cores as a selling point for future platforms and gaming's likely to go more multi threaded in the future with API's like DX12 coming into use. If your looking to keep your motherboard for a few years you may find Skylake/Z170 very limiting in the future

- Less PCI-E lanes (potentially by a lot depending on CPU used) compared to X99.

With my old X58 setup with SLI'd GPU's I was still able to add a super fast PCI-SSD and an add in card which gave me USB3 and SATA3 due to the extra PCI-E lanes you get with the enthusiast CPU's by default of the consumer CPU's and motherboards

6600K
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Pro's

Much cheaper than 6700K - still overclocks well. IPC improvements of Skylake over previous generations of CPU as per 6700K

Cons

- No HT (hyperthreading) so stuck with four cores and threads which may hold you back going forward with games and will severely hold you back in situations were programs are heavily multithreaded

- still expensive compared to previous i5's but arguably not as bad as the 6700k

5820K
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Pro's

- 50% more cores and threads than 6700k - will massively outperform it when using heavily threaded programs

- Costs less for the CPU with similar total cost when comparable motherboard and memory added

- More PCI-E lanes allowing more expansion in the future

- access to same modern motherboard features as Z170. There's nothing you can get with Z170 that you cant get with X99 from the motherboards available.

- Quad channel memory with more maximum bandwidth (unlikely to be relevant yet as Skylake has a sufficiently large amount of bandwidth as it is)

- access to 14nm CPU's in the future (Broadwell-E) that will have 6 cores/ 12 threads + likely to have more longevity as a platform due to this and extra PCI-E lanes

- Overclocks generally to within 200mhz of a 6700k. Games are not currently CPU limited - they are GPU limited. To show the benefit of a 6700K you have to run a silly setup (i.e 1080p with a Titan-X) to show any meaningful benefit. By the time the CPU becomes more limiting with faster future GPU's games will likely take advantage of more than four cores so 5820k may be even faster than 6700k despite lower clocks per core.

- No money/ die space wasted on iGPU

Cons

More cores, threads and larger process for manufacture means more heat generated and power used. CPU refresh Broadwell-E should show good gains with drop to 14nm. The refresh for Skylake with be Kabylake still at 14nm early indications are that the iGPU will be getting most of the attention with this refresh so likely less CPU gain over Skylake then Haswell-E to Broadwell-E

less IPC and maximum overclock - much lower stock speed

Conclusions

Basically the 6700k is not a bad CPU per say its price just makes it hard to justify.

If u need a threaded or HT CPU U need X99. 6700K really has no place currently.

Where you don't need more than four threads the 6600k is a good option than gives access to modern motherboard features as per 6700K but for more than 100 notes less

The 5820K currently offers great value for money is a great all rounder and the X99 motherboards have a greater potential longevity compared to Z170 boards
 
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You have to overclock x99 or a Skylake at stock is better.

6 slower cores that you might not use is not as good as 4 faster that you will.
 
You have to overclock x99 or a Skylake at stock is better.

6 slower cores that you might not use is not as good as 4 faster that you will.

if you have bought a 6700k and don't intend to overclock it then you a really are a bit daft and I wonder whether a different forum might better suit you

stockclockers.co.uk

yep that will be a big hit I'm sure

I had a dual core E8600 in the past ... much higher stock clocks than a contemporary q6600 and better per core overclocking to boot.

Didn't last me that long in the end as programs moved on meaning four cores made far more difference

6 slower cores that you might not use is not as good as 4 faster that you will.

The only benchmarks that show a meaningful difference are gaming at 1080p on a Titan X - which is not at all representative of a realistic gaming scenario. Go 1440P or 4k or use a more realistically paired GPU and the difference evaporates.

Any program that takes advantage of more than four cores will show a massive difference between a 5820K and a 6700k
 
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if you have bought a 6700k and don't intend to overclock it then you a really are a bit daft and I wonder whether a different forum might better suit you

stockclockers.co.uk

yep that will be a big hit I'm sure

I had a dual core E8600 in the past ... much higher stock clocks than a contemporary q6600 and better per core overclocking to boot.

Didn't last me that long in the end as programs moved on meaning four cores made far more difference

Is the 6700k not faster than the non k then?

Not everyone overclock on here.
 
Is the 6700k not faster than the non k then?

Not everyone overclock on here.

if you want to pay 270 notes for a 6700 and not overclock it fill your boots I say. Ill recommend people go out and but a 5820K and overclock it for a similar overall cost and get far more for their money
 
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if you want to pay 270 notes for a 6700 and not overclock it fill your boots I say. Ill recommend people go out and but a 5820K and overclock it for a similar overall cost and get far more for their money

I actually agree that x99 is by far the best choice nowadays when considering future proofing and especially if you do content creation etc. I was only pointing out a fact that stock Skylake is better for gaming than stock x99.

Not everyone realises this you know and in a thread where nothing was mentioned about it, what's the harm in pointing it out.

Anyway, seeing as you've made a thing of this, how many games are there out there that will run better on an a 5820k at say 4.5 vs a 6700k at 4.7?

I play mostly CPU limited games and whilst I would have considered x99 for my build, the fact is I would have had worse performance for more money, regardless of my ITX requirements.
 
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