1.2Gbps FTTP Router Recommendation
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Are the £40 ones POE and managed?
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The cheapest managed 2.5Gbe / 10G SFP+ is $119. But that is a total cost, not the additional cost to add to the UDM-SE. But only having a single high capacity downlink shows that these are not enterprise grade, at all. All the traffic over a single port is a No-No. Hence the need for multiple higher capacity downlinks that 2.5Gber / 5Gbe copper would provide. - Again it could be a much better product with that simple addition.
- Hasivo S600WP-4GT-1SX-1XGT-SE
- 4x 2.5GbE, 1x 10Gbase-T, 1x SFP+
- Smart Managed, Unmanaged Optional. 4x PoE
- 2.3W Idle, 1W per 2.5GbE Port
- $119 when tested
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Can you link me to a £40 Managed 2.5 GbE switch with PoE please?
You are still speculating without knowing the facts. I would assume that they didn't put in higher speed ports was that it would have driven the cost of the SE over $500, but no one apart from Ubiquiti themselves would be able to confirm however.
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That's not £40.
Who is saying that they are enterprise grade? Have you seen how much an enterprise router costs?
Everything and then some. Lol
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Gosh, this got a bit heated.
Clearly, the specification of any commercially available device is going to be a ‘business decision’ and UBNT, in their wisdom, released these devices based on 1GbE chipsets, quite possibly because they already had the code written for the switching (UDM Pro SE) or routing software (UDM Pro) rather than have to add new code in to handle a 2.5GbE chipset. Whatever the reason, it is what it is and UBNT won’t care a jot if any of us like it. They’ll just say ‘buy a switch with an SFP+ port if you want faster than 1GbE’.
I’m not a huge fan of cheap Chinese ‘no name’ networking gear. Most of it is just about workable and when it goes wrong it’s disposable rather than repairable. So yiu really have to accept that if you want what the OP wants, with both fast WAN and LAN ports, and you want UniFi, then it’s a UDM Pro (or SE) and a 2.5GbE (or faster) switch with an SFP+ port.
Clearly, the specification of any commercially available device is going to be a ‘business decision’ and UBNT, in their wisdom, released these devices based on 1GbE chipsets, quite possibly because they already had the code written for the switching (UDM Pro SE) or routing software (UDM Pro) rather than have to add new code in to handle a 2.5GbE chipset. Whatever the reason, it is what it is and UBNT won’t care a jot if any of us like it. They’ll just say ‘buy a switch with an SFP+ port if you want faster than 1GbE’.
I’m not a huge fan of cheap Chinese ‘no name’ networking gear. Most of it is just about workable and when it goes wrong it’s disposable rather than repairable. So yiu really have to accept that if you want what the OP wants, with both fast WAN and LAN ports, and you want UniFi, then it’s a UDM Pro (or SE) and a 2.5GbE (or faster) switch with an SFP+ port.
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More than was delivered. It’s quite pricey for what it does well, and a lot of the ‘added value’ like the Protect functionality is worthless on a decent sized surveillance camera deployment because it’s a single disk with limited backup options.
I was just looking on eBay for the lulz, and you can actually get a second hand Juniper MX5, or Cisco ASR1000 for like £200-300, some cheap optics off fs.com for £50 - problem solved
(So long as you've got a soundproof box to put it in..)
With zero support or (official) software updates. And you kinda need to know what you’re doing with them. Then there’s the power consumption.I was just looking on eBay for the lulz, and you can actually get a second hand Juniper MX5, or Cisco ASR1000 for like £200-300, some cheap optics off fs.com for £50 - problem solved
(So long as you've got a soundproof box to put it in..)
I was just looking on eBay for the lulz, and you can actually get a second hand Juniper MX5, or Cisco ASR1000 for like £200-300, some cheap optics off fs.com for £50 - problem solved
(So long as you've got a soundproof box to put it in..)
Theres a difference between Enterprise kit thats current and 2nd hand EoL Enterprise Kit. Great for home labs and other non critical applications but it starts getting frustrating and/or spendy when things stop working.
Enterprise(TM) is more than just the hardware most of the time.
I've done consumer trash, custom firmware consumer trash, home built appliances and some Cisco near-Enterprise networking solutions in the past and I currently use Unifi all round.
Yes, its not the cheapest and yes the support and software updates can leave a lot to be desired but it does work. I've never had to force reboot it and it will just run without any maintenance.
I have Networking and Protect deployed across 2 managed switches, 2 PoE Cameras, a USG 4 Pro (Now EoL), 3 APs and a CloudKey Gen 2 Plus.
I get full remote access with a self hosting solution, no subscription fees which the misses can also use via a nice easy app.
For all their faults there isnt much competition in the same price space if you want a unified ecosystem.
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When it comes to Unifi, I think people expect better, and I think they have a right to. They market the UDM as ‘enterprise grade’ which it isn’t. It’s prosumer and SOHO, the sort of one box you can chuck in a branch office if you need secure connectivity, central wifi management and basic CCTV at reasonable quality with minimal management time because you dont have in-house IT etc. or are a home enthusiast who likes the central management. That market isn’t not buying the SE product because it cost £550 rather than £470. Unifi follows the apple mantra when it comes to pricing as people are buying into an ‘it just works’ ecosystem. For that, they they shouldn’t need to worry about the non blocking capacity of an onboard switches uplink on a multi-gig ‘enterprise grade’ router, or why a company famous for its PoE AP’s and trying to break into other PoE areas isn't including PoE on its flagship when the lower end stuff (UDR and DW) does, it’s a blatant missed opportunity that they partially righted with the SE refresh, but it shouldn't have ever needed fixing.
I don’t know exactly what it would cost Ubiquiti not to have screwed the onboard switch up, but I assume it’s way less than the £290 Ubiquiti want for the Pro 8 PoE. That puts a basic non blocking gigabit PoE LAN and multi gigabit WAN set-up with one spare SFP+ port at roughly £855 excluding DAC/fibre/cable/transceiver's. Compare that to the £565 an SE and U6+ cost that any reasonable person would expect to be able to do the same job, and thats why I think Unifi should do better.
I don’t know exactly what it would cost Ubiquiti not to have screwed the onboard switch up, but I assume it’s way less than the £290 Ubiquiti want for the Pro 8 PoE. That puts a basic non blocking gigabit PoE LAN and multi gigabit WAN set-up with one spare SFP+ port at roughly £855 excluding DAC/fibre/cable/transceiver's. Compare that to the £565 an SE and U6+ cost that any reasonable person would expect to be able to do the same job, and thats why I think Unifi should do better.
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Just custom build a nice little unit, get the spec you want, with power draw that's reasonable and you can run a decent firewall application on.
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The UDM SE has POE though?
You mean just as I said in the remainder of the sentence just after the section you highlighted? Yes, they partially fixed the situation by adding PoE, but ignored the gigabit uplink.
Id love to see some alternatives then for the same price? That do the same thing.
I have the SE, U6 Pro and U6 Mesh, all covered from the same interface, even I managed to setup VLANS.
I'm about to add a Pro Max 24 POE and some cameras, lights and doorbell.
I have the SE, U6 Pro and U6 Mesh, all covered from the same interface, even I managed to setup VLANS.
I'm about to add a Pro Max 24 POE and some cameras, lights and doorbell.
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It’s a very expensive trap!
I’m not sure how this thread became so derailed but the UniFi routers (Gateways/Consoles) are very poor for the money. They do almost nothing more than they did 8 years ago when I first got a USG Pro4. It’s a simple stateful inspection firewall with SNORT crudely tacked on.
Protect is a £30 single disk NVR bundled into the same box (it’s not integrated when it’s a separate application accessed from the same phone app) and the cameras are outrageously priced and would be very ordinary at a quarter of the money. The switches and access points are reasonable value and are probably moving the market forward with things like the Max range and the controller continues to grow in features that do allow people to implement advanced networking features easily.
PLEASE be aware that by integrating into these UniFi systems you are literally putting all your eggs in one basket with a UDM Pro/Pro SE. if it goes down, it’s ALL down. So take off-device backups daily, invest in a surveillance grade hard drive and make sure you know where you can get a new UDM Pro (SE) on next-day delivery.
And before everyone jumps in and says they’re very reliable. Yes, they are, but you don’t want to be the exception that proves the rule.
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MikroTik RB5009UPr+S+IN will mince a UDM Pro SE at half the money. It even has PoE ports. And you can get a Dahua DH-NVR-2108-P-I with an 8Tb surveillance hard drive for the other half the money. 4K Dahua TiOC 2 cameras are £120 each, £180 for the TiOC zoom or £220 gets you the TiOC PTZ. And the Dahua WizSense AI in that system makes Protect look like something from the Stone Age. And yes, they do a decent doorbell although there were issues with some Samsung high-end phones not getting alerts. And you can still use the UniFi controller and access points and even the Pro Max switches so the VLANs will still work.
I don't think that's very fair, there have been loads of gateway improvements since the days of the Pro4. I even moved away from UniFi due to a lack of features, and have since moved back. Multiple WAN, shadow mode, WireGuard server & client, policy based routing, much better site to site VPN support, OSPF (BGP coming soon) to name a few.
It's a fair shout, but the point was made by @robj20 was that UniFi is a simple system for people with little networking knowledge to get started with and even do advanced things if they wish. MikroTik requires much more knowledge, the UI is painful, and if you run MikroTik a router/firewall and UniFi switches/AP you have to remember to make network changes in both systems. Many people won't touch full Chinese branded cameras and UniFi represent one of the best subscription free alternates, all while keeping it very wife friendly for things like the Protect app.