10 Reasons Why PS3 Will Win This Console Generation
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Aye, not surprising really though, considering who knocked-up the list.McBain said:
The guy claims that Insomniac are independent and that Sony haven't paid him to say stuff, but the fact that him getting his pay cheque each month relies upon the PS3 selling well and it's owners buying his game demonstrates that he's anything but unbiased.
NokkonWud said:
Good points mate the only things i will add to them is, although the PS3 has HDMI, it does also support component no problem.
Maybe this is why Sony didn't include an HDMI cable in the box, because a lot of folk would want component? Make both buy a cable as opposed to making 1?
Also, team Ninja did say it was tricky to program for, but you just had to get into the way of thinking, and not use it as an excuse to the consumer, unless i am mistaken.
A lot of people are not as informed as we are and when they see a Playstation 3 in the shops when they have a Playstation 2 they are more likely to buy that instead of a Xbox 360 they might know nothing about.McBain said:
For a lot of people it is all about the name and not about the hardware as they don't know or care.
You can think what you want but at the end of the day, perhaps it doesn't boil down to which console is technically better. Sony have more fans, and more people like Playstation. Hardly any of my or my brother's mates have Xbox 360s, where as about 10 of them now have PS3s. Customer loyalty is more powerful than a technological battle. The reason for this is simple, Playstation has been around for much longer than Xbox, and has had the chance to build up this loyalty and the backing of many developers. I predict PS3 sales will go way beyond 360 sales within the next 1-2 years.
Precisely, but that applies to a lot of products on the market.
Owners of an iPod are more likely to upgrade to... yep, an iPod Video etc
Although remember that neither console is considerably better on paper. They are both extremely similar, with the PS3 just about having the edge. Although also remember that "On paper" is not a reflection of reality. PS3 could well be the "Real Madrid" of consoles
Dutch Guy said:
Precisely, but that applies to a lot of products on the market.
Owners of an iPod are more likely to upgrade to... yep, an iPod Video etc
Although remember that neither console is considerably better on paper. They are both extremely similar, with the PS3 just about having the edge. Although also remember that "On paper" is not a reflection of reality. PS3 could well be the "Real Madrid" of consoles
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Very true. Customer and brand loyalty is extremely important and may well be the clincher at the end of the day. That said the competition is hotting up and the market share has changed in favour of MS. Indeed Nintendo have won many new fans of casual gaming.Tommy B said:
I wonder how many of todays 8 year olds will be diehard nintendo fans in years to come because of the DS etc.
VIRII said:
Right now you are correct in this assumption - however think about during the whole lifetime of the console and I think its a pretty reasonable bet that the answer would be completely different by the end of the ps3's life
The main reason why most people cant get the benefits of the PS3 right now is due to the cost of 1080p displays in general (please note Im not commenting on what type of display)
Within 1 year (by which time there should be a lot more decent games) the tv/pj market will have got considerably cheaper and the customers currently being priced out will be able to get real bargains to suit their circumstances a lot easier
Within 2 years - they will be peanuts and more likely to be found in more and more living rooms - with the added bonus of getting better games (hopefully at natural 1080p like GT:HD) and a better movie experience
The more closely the specs of the source and display match the better visual experience you will get
FrankJH said:
My brother is in the market for a new display. At first we both assumed that 1080p was the way to go. Then as we looked into it it became apparent that to actually physically see the difference you have to be very close to the screen.
Now I don't want to sit 6 feet from a 50" screen, indeed the only way 1080p would be of much genuine use where I could actually see the difference is by using a PJ with enormous screen from a sensible distance.
I have to seriously question the real world advantages of any 1080p setup.
The only one which makes much sense is for use with a computer to get sharper text etc. Other than that why will 1080p be of any use to me?
FrankJH said:
Sorry, I must be missing something? Can I ask what 1080p got to do with anything as the 360 can also do 1080p both with its advanced scaler chip and natively for basically the same games as the PS3.
Resistance is 720p, Motorstorm is 720p. VT3 is 1080p but it's also 1080p on the 360.
To my knowledge it's the 'Premium' that is the market leader in terms of Xbox360 sales, not the 'Core'. Of all the people I know with an Xbox360 only 1 person has a 'Core' edition.FrankJH said:
The Premium is the only one that contains the HD lead, however this is clearly stated on the boxes as one of the differences, my argument was that the PS3 doesn't include it in their top model (which is the only one available at the moment). If Sony didn't include it in the lower level model and in the higher model there wouldn't be the annoyance that there is.
Also, the Xbox360 does contain an ethernet cable too, atleast the Premium does, but I believe the core does also.
I agree, Sony definitely did the correct thing, having a standard such as a HDD is a massive advantage and it's clear to see Microsoft tried to play safe by saving themselves a massive loss as was incurred by including a HDD in the original Xbox. If Microsoft were to re-launch I am confident they would have added HDD's into both packages.FrankJH said:
I see why HDMI was used, however, they should have bundled Component, Sony have no excuses for limiting the connectivity of many of the HDTV owners out there. There are many more Component only Televisions in the US than here also, what they should have done is added a simple Component connection to the rear of the Playstation 3 rather than a multi-out. HDMI is not the be all and end all of connections, many users and experts prefer the Component connection to that of the HDMI as it is more consistent across the ranges of HDTV's. What is the reason for content protection via HDMI?FrankJH said:
Absolutely, I agree, Xbox Live possibly should be free (or cheaper), if Microsoft are chargine £40 it should NOT be a peer-2-peer network, however the administration of players etc.. is far superior on the Xbox360 in comparison the Playstation 3, however Sony can always improve their service.FrankJH said:
Nokkon, can i ask you honestly now you have a PS3 and are online, how do you find the network?
i know you where one of the people who thought it was 'really' disjointed, but now you have used it, do you think it is a decent service for the money? that is not to say it can't be improved, it can, but i dont think it will take much.
As for the composite arguement, i can see all sides of it tbh
IIRC one of Sony's arguments was the majority of users will be putting it through an SDTV. Personally i think they didn't quite realise how quick people have taken up HDTV's, especially gamers/people in late teens/early 20's so in that respect i think they are on the backfoot slightly. But at the same time, many of the bundles when it came out where Sony bundles (i.e. all Sony games) and most places bundled a cable, so the biggest loser was the retailers, i would be interested to know if they got any compo/influence from Sony to do it/
i know you where one of the people who thought it was 'really' disjointed, but now you have used it, do you think it is a decent service for the money? that is not to say it can't be improved, it can, but i dont think it will take much.
As for the composite arguement, i can see all sides of it tbh
IIRC one of Sony's arguments was the majority of users will be putting it through an SDTV. Personally i think they didn't quite realise how quick people have taken up HDTV's, especially gamers/people in late teens/early 20's so in that respect i think they are on the backfoot slightly. But at the same time, many of the bundles when it came out where Sony bundles (i.e. all Sony games) and most places bundled a cable, so the biggest loser was the retailers, i would be interested to know if they got any compo/influence from Sony to do it/
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Its even simpler than that, 1 to 10 Its called a Playstation, the PS3 will win on its name alone. 
In regards to Component I didn't so much mean it that it doesn't support it as I know there is a cable, but it's a multi-AV cable as opposed to the direct Component ports. We have a couple of high quality £80+ QED Component cables that we would rather use than a cheaper quality multi-AV component cable, it's just annoying that they have a regular HDMI but not regular component.JUMPURS said:
I admit I glanced the Team Ninja article, if thats how it was intended then thats fine, personally I do think people complaining about the difficulty of a console to program for are just making excuses.
I must admit, from the many articles I read regarding the Network service and it's disappointments, which obviously played a part in my thoughts towards it, were in most cases completely off-track, the service itself is a lot more 'contained' within the Playstation3 than many articles would have you believe.JUMPURS said:
The store, friends, multiplayer and product updates aren't 'all over the place' and infact I think several elements are certainly equal to those of the Xbox360.
Friend notifications are as good as the 360, you know who and when those friends sign on, the store is clearer and, in my opinion, easier to navigate than the Marketplace on the 360, though this is mainly to do with the layout appearing as a webpage and it is not 'slow' as has been mentioned time and time again.
It's a lot clearer after using the system, the XMB, the online aspects that many articles were written in bias towards the Xbox360 and it's left a jaded picture. Whilst many sections of the PS3's network service do need improving such as the ability to access more from within the game and better utilisation of the Playstations media button in the middle or the ability to contact friends with messages or invite them into a current game, these are undeniably the weaker sections of the online service. The foundation has been set for a fantastic online service, especially with hosted servers, something Microsoft has to combat now (and something they should have employed back in the Xbox days). Whilst the Xbox360 is the clear leader of the online service I can only see updates improving this for the Playstation3, if it takes subscription payments to do this then so be it, atleast Sony have that option to take, Microsoft don't.
Without a doubt these companies should be bundling Composite cables, there would be an absolute outrage if there weren't, but the Playstation3 package released was the 60gb package, we all know that that's not the only package that WILL be available, Sony opted to only release their 'Premium' package. If Sony are going to do 2 then surely the higher model should be expected to be going into the homes of those with a higher-standard of AV setup (otherwise they would surely use the lesser model) and therefore the 60gb version should be coming with HDMI irregardless of the fact the 20gb model is currently not out for retail.JUMPURS said:
Just how Sega thought they would win with the 'Sega Saturn' and Nintendo with the 'Nintendo 64'. Brand loyalty is not what it was 15 years ago, Sony should know this, especially now that Sony televisions are no longer the only brand to own.LoadsaMoney said:Its even simpler than that, 1 to 10 Its called a Playstation, the PS3 will win on its name alone.
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I wonder if we could put together a list of 10 reasons why the 360 will win this console generation. Is it doable?
In all honesty, I can agree with most of those 10 points, but i dont like the James Bond one.
But I don't think Xbox 360 has even a solid 9 points that could push the PS3 out of the top spot for being the future winner.
In all honesty, I can agree with most of those 10 points, but i dont like the James Bond one.
But I don't think Xbox 360 has even a solid 9 points that could push the PS3 out of the top spot for being the future winner.
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In all honesty I don't see how anyone could call the PS3's points "solid..."
I think someone should try and make a 10 reasons the Wii will win this generation, that'd take some effort.
Edit: A more sensible thing to put out would be, why this generation will be a win for everyone.
I think someone should try and make a 10 reasons the Wii will win this generation, that'd take some effort.
Edit: A more sensible thing to put out would be, why this generation will be a win for everyone.
Nokkon
Maybe Sony just went back to their plain electronics routes and as with any av gear - its never bundled with any decent cabling (if any at all)
Im not saying it shouldnt be - but its pretty standard practice in most equipment.
I dont think you can do content protection over analogue (wasnt there something similar in regards to Vista at some stage having to use DVI instead of analogue for monitors ) Im not clued up on this aspect but thats why I always presumed they opted for hdmi as default
Obviously taking a copy of anything over composite just wouldnt be worth it for the content they are trying to protect.
Maybe Sony just went back to their plain electronics routes and as with any av gear - its never bundled with any decent cabling (if any at all)
Im not saying it shouldnt be - but its pretty standard practice in most equipment.
I dont think you can do content protection over analogue (wasnt there something similar in regards to Vista at some stage having to use DVI instead of analogue for monitors ) Im not clued up on this aspect but thats why I always presumed they opted for hdmi as default
Obviously taking a copy of anything over composite just wouldnt be worth it for the content they are trying to protect.
Emlyn_Dewar said:In all honesty I don't see how anyone could call the PS3's points "solid..."
I think someone should try and make a 10 reasons the Wii will win this generation, that'd take some effort.
Edit: A more sensible thing to put out would be, why this generation will be a win for everyone.
lol , yeah well I could maybe think of a few - starting with price.
