101 reasons why OS X is better than Windows

binaryknight said:
isnt windows built as a networked os?
the icons in the task bar can be removed /hidden / disabled
personally i like the idea of small icons in the taskbar rather than full sized space hoggers on the main application section

Hamish said:
Windows was originally built as a standalone OS before the internet existed and this is one of the reasons why there are so many holes in it. OS X was relased in 2001 when the internet was known to be one of the main things people used their computers for.

Yes.. and no to both of you.
Yes Windows exsited before the internet, its got a long pedigree (although its more of a mongrel than a pedigree). However what people consistently fail to grasp is that XP is based on 2k, which is based on NT. OS Xs "internet" advantage is not an "internet" one but a standard *nix multi-user advantage, something that Windows NT was designed for from scratch. The kernel (core of the OS) in NT was radically different than the one used in the existing Windows OSs of the time because it was designed from the ground up to be used in a mutli-user environment. This was carried into 2k, whilst the ordinary, utterly different non-multi user kernek got carried into 95, 98 and ME respectively. ME was a last shot cash cow as it had long been on the plans since '98 to shift the entire platform across to the NT stream of OSs including home PCs given the prevelance of the internet and the need for associated multi-user security.

Its hard to argue that OS X was designed any differently than Windows XP in this regard. OS X is merely a variation on BSD, one of several POSIX compliant operating systems; including QNX, Linux, Unix, AIX et al. POSIX standard requires multi-user, and was arguably born out of the mainframe / dumb terminal era. Multi-user is absolutely critical for the internet PC, something Microsoft soon realised back in the mid 90s, but were slow (for various reasons) to develop into a suitable platform. It really was in everyones best interest for MS to merge the two streams of OS development. A few examples:

* more efficient use of MS programmer labour
* single driver model, meaing hardware providers didn't have to have two different versions of a driver being produced.
* single set of API making it easier for people to write software for the OS

My view on things?

Each to their own.

Every platform has its strengths and its weaknesses. I'm not naive enough, or blinkered enough to start touting one or other OS as better than the other. My preference for Windows on my home PC is purely due to gaming, otherwise I'd go with *nix all the way, like I do with servers. Cedega doesn't cut it for me, too many hassles. OS X has its market and it does it well. My main dislike of OS X is Apple, and its locking down of hardware vendors. I like to do things my way, I don't want to have to do it Steve Job's way. That they finally grasped the concept that people want powerful graphics cards on launch day is something that only recently Apple started to grasp, despite for how long the rest of the world realised this. If Apple relaxed their grip just a tiny bit on the hardware front they'd reap the benefits, IMO; particularly given their advantage of being based on an open source platform which plays firmly into the driver developers hands.

Viruses? Sure, OS X has its viruses, virtually every OS in the world does. The only reason Windows has so many out there comes down to the sheer market penetration of it, makes it a nice big, easy and most importantly profitable target to hit. If OS X had the same penetration as MS enjoys today, I don't doubt there would be just as many Viruses out there for it. Linux, just like OS X still gets away with lower number of viruses. Most people focus on hacking Linux rather than viruses, probably because most Distros that provide apache and the like pre-installed already do so with the box secured to a reasonable level (apache running as a seperate user, blah blah blah). Most *nix boxes that get hacked seem to be suffering from similar issues, mainly being the use of web frontends like webmin, without understanding the implications of the underlying stuff, like all users being created with /bin/bash shell access.

Take your pic, choose your OS for whatever reasons you like. No one is the same in this world, we all have our preferable ways of working. Linux suits mine, Windows suits other peoples, OS X suits yet others still, and so on and so forth.
 
Garp said:

Hear hear. One of the main problems that the mac has is with it's image - there's no denying that parts of its product are good, but the total image is made up of both the product and the community of people who use it and it's this second part that is really hurting the image, in my opinion. Not really isn't helped by people posting threads touting "OMGZ we're going to list all the reasons why we're so much better than WINBLOWZZ".

As Garp said, use what you like to use to get done whatever you need to get done. I like OS X. I really do. I just hate the attitudes of some of the people who use it.
 
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BillytheImpaler said:
I love OS X because it painlessly handles all the ridiculousness I can throw at it.

Unfortunately, due to the data contained I'm unable to show you a screenshot of my windows desktop during an average day at work, but off the top of my head I usually have 4 firefox windows open with probably 6 or 7 tabs open in each (seperate windows for seperate tasks, with the tabs being relevant to the particular task kept in the same window), probably a dozen PuTTy sessions open, a Word session going where I've got documents, notepad for taking quick notes when answering the phone, etc. etc.

*shrug*

The only glitch I ever get is from Firefox's stupid memory thing where it caches the page history. If I'm running as our departmental point of contact I also have to be doing monitoring, and thats currently 15 tabs, mainly of different netsaint sessions. With those auto-refreshing every minute that really kills Firefox, especially when using a box with only 768Mb RAM in it.
 
Sounds like you need expose with all those windows open ;)

I use windows mainly but having just bought my first mac, Im really enjoying OS X - which I occasionally used at work for a few things.
 
Garp said:
The only glitch I ever get is from Firefox's stupid memory thing where it caches the page history. If I'm running as our departmental point of contact I also have to be doing monitoring, and thats currently 15 tabs, mainly of different netsaint sessions. With those auto-refreshing every minute that really kills Firefox, especially when using a box with only 768Mb RAM in it.
Try disabling the caching. It's a 30 second trip to about:config away. To do it, set browser.cache.memory.enable to False. If you still want caching on but you don't want it to use as much memory, change browser.cache.memory.capacity to your preferred number of kibibytes to use.

Source: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity
 
AJUK said:
Windows XP does have excellent hardware support but OS X takes it one stage further. It has a lot of proprietry drivers included but it is also able to make things work without drivers. Everything you plug into a Mac will work, instantly. No, really, I am not kidding!

I love my Mac Mini and OSX is a wonderful OS but why do people keep peddling this lie? It's complete nonsense. Every piece of hardware does not "just work" on OSX. My Hauppauge TV tuner does not "just work". My Logitech webcam does not "just work". And i'm sure there are thousands of other devices which when plugged into a Mac do not "just work".
 
Phil99 said:
And Windows isn't?

How many windows installations have you done exactly? I don't want to blow my own trumpet, but if you have done as many as I have....you will know how much of a pain the arse it can be.


Continue with more than 3 Mac exclusive points then ;)

if you sig wasn't funny I could possibly be annoyed by that comment :p
 
I plugged in my JML Superslicer and it didn't work :confused: :p
jml-super-slicer.jpg


That said, everything else I've chucked at it works fine. I think it depends how popular a peice of hardware is. You must admit there is more hardware support than windows though.
 
JimmyEatWorms said:
I love my Mac Mini and OSX is a wonderful OS but why do people keep peddling this lie? It's complete nonsense. Every piece of hardware does not "just work" on OSX.

Because when I buy stuff for my Mac I makesure it says Mac compaitable on it?

But in all honesty everything i've ever plugged into it has worked.

2 webcams
2 video cameras
Several Phones that didn't have bluetooth
Several cameras
Countless USB Sticks
external hard drives

all worked flawlessly
 
Absolutely everything I have ever plugged into mine has worked, that includes two cameras, several phones, memory sticks, numerous printers and software dongles. I am sorry if you can't get yours to work, but everything I tried worked flawlessly (including my JML Super Slicer, but I did get the USB 2 version :p )
 
I was pleasantly surprised who much stuff is compatible when I got my MacBook - was under the impression from peers that nothing is compatible because Apple is not "mainstream".

I kinda proved them wrong when I iSyn my iCal (uni timetable) with my w800i within 3secs worth of setup. I've been testing still with my uni equipments and so far, all printers work and connecting to my uni wireless is a click and password.
 
Dr Jones said:
.. and connecting to my uni wireless is a click and password.

That's one cool thing about OS X, wireless networking is so much easier than in XP! My Dad got a new Acer laptop from work a few weeks ago, and it has so much rubbish on it and connecting to wireless networks is so complicated!
 
Phate said:
Because when I buy stuff for my Mac I makesure it says Mac compaitable on it?


So "Mac compatible" stuff works? Well, there's a surprise ;)

I'm not saying that hardware support in OSX is poor because it's not. It is light years ahead of Windows. However, not EVERYTHING just works.
 
Phate said:
How many windows installations have you done exactly? I don't want to blow my own trumpet, but if you have done as many as I have....you will know how much of a pain the arse it can be.

Quite a few...XP is straight forward, never had any problems with that setup and I'm usually at a desktop in ~20min on my home PC, but then of course it's driver setup time which although is just a few exes I guess OSX includes them all on the CD as it's got a lot less hardware to cater for.

if you sig wasn't funny I could possibly be annoyed by that comment :p

Just re-read my original post and realised it kinda makes me look like I'm on a crusade against OSX so sorry about that, wasn't my intention :o
 
Phil99 said:
Quite a few...XP is straight forward, never had any problems with that setup and I'm usually at a desktop in ~20min on my home PC, but then of course it's driver setup time which although is just a few exes I guess OSX includes them all on the CD as it's got a lot less hardware to cater for.

I can assure you its not always just a 20 minute thing, sometimes it needs sata drivers on older motherboards, sometimes it doesn't detect all the devices so it can't install them when actually in windows. imo 98 was the most reliable to install, drivers could be abit of a pain but otherwise very stable, worked every time. I've had nightmares with XP installation (used to work in PC repair, i've done it a few dones :p ;))


Just re-read my original post and realised it kinda makes me look like I'm on a crusade against OSX so sorry about that, wasn't my intention :o

It's not us you need to apologise to....

"Steve..."

;)
 
Phate said:
I can assure you its not always just a 20 minute thing, sometimes it needs sata drivers on older motherboards, sometimes it doesn't detect all the devices so it can't install them when actually in windows. imo 98 was the most reliable to install, drivers could be abit of a pain but otherwise very stable, worked every time. I've had nightmares with XP installation (used to work in PC repair, i've done it a few dones :p ;))

It's not necessarily a fair comparison though, because windows is trying to work on billions of combinations of different hardware platforms. OS X has much fewer to work with. Yes, the install on mac hardware is flawless, but that's because it's designed to work with that. In terms of being able to run on the widest variety of x86 hardware, BSD probably takes the lead, followed by linux, then windows. OS X comes last, by a very very long way. I can't go out and buy it and run it on my dual opteron box. This may or may not be a good/bad thing (I think it's a bad thing), but it shows you the price you have to pay for having a "wonderous OS that never crashes, ever".
 
Al Vallario said:
  • Lots of useful applications right out of the box, courtesy of iLife. GarageBand, iPhoto, iTunes, iMovie HD etc. are all top products. Compare to Windows where you get notepad, solitaire and a calculator :p

  • They dont come with OSX. They're part of iLife, if you didn't get it with your Mac (like I didn't) then you have to buy them seperately.
 
I think the comparison of an OS X install,which is designed for very homoogeneous hardware to be a somewhat flimsy reason to "use a Mac". In fact I've seen the bundled copies of Tiger that come with iBooks that dont work on iMacs, PowerMacs and vice versa. Also the hardware diagnostic CDs are machine-specific too.
A fairer comparison would be to compare the installation of OS X with that of a clean install of an OEM machine with the vendor-provided media, in the sense that it will probably only work on that machine, but the drivers are bundled.
Also, on a historical note, it was this heterogeneity that gave Microsoft it's market share in the first place. The fact that you could install their OS and software on practically any IBM-PC compatible machine was (and perhaps still is) a major selling point to both businesses and consumers alike.

So there you go, your Mac is essentially an OEM PC with an admittedly nice (but not without its faults) operating system i.e. a system based on out-of-date UNIX technology, some proprietary middleware of quality varying from excellent to downright crap, and a shiny, relatively idiot-proof interface to make it appeal to girly girls/ "artistic" types / posers/ people who cant walk and chew gum simultaneously. Although in saying all that, if someone were to walk up to me in the street and give me a MacBook Pro, I definitely wouldnt say no :) Also, at least it isn't OS 9.
 
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