11700K OC Advice?

Adam1712

Adam1712

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Hi! New to the forum sorry if this is in the wrong place!..

In short, I'm just setting up my 11700K, ROG Z590-E MB and CM360ML AIO.. I'm happy with the general BIOS settings and am just fine tuning the final numbers, going for an all core stable OC I'm at..

VCore - 1.3V (Manual)
Ratio - 48 (-2 AVX Offset)
Temps - 79C (91C with AVX) (27-33C at idle)

These are based on 10min P95 small fft.

I can push 5.0 with 1.39V but I have to drop the AVX to -6 (maintaining 4.4) otherwise AVX temps skyrocket.

Just wondering what your thoughts are? Is it worth the extra voltage for the extra 0.2 OC, will be used for gaming only!

Thanks! If you need any other info please let me know!
 
Adam1712 said:
Hi! New to the forum sorry if this is in the wrong place!..

In short, I'm just setting up my 11700K, ROG Z590-E MB and CM360ML AIO.. I'm happy with the general BIOS settings and am just fine tuning the final numbers, going for an all core stable OC I'm at..

VCore - 1.3V (Manual)
Ratio - 48 (-2 AVX Offset)
Temps - 79C (91C with AVX) (27-33C at idle)

These are based on 10min P95 small fft.

I can push 5.0 with 1.39V but I have to drop the AVX to -6 (maintaining 4.4) otherwise AVX temps skyrocket.

Just wondering what your thoughts are? Is it worth the extra voltage for the extra 0.2 OC, will be used for gaming only!

Thanks! If you need any other info please let me know!
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Based on these numbers you will in fact, lose gaming performance. The only way to match or beat stock gaming performance on the 11700k is to get an all core of 5.1ghz or higher. If you cannot do that, leave it stock, you're wasting your time
 
Grim5 said:
Based on these numbers you will in fact, lose gaming performance. The only way to match or beat stock gaming performance on the 11700k is to get an all core of 5.1ghz or higher. If you cannot do that, leave it stock, you're wasting your time
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It’s taken me all weekend to figure this out, but I don’t think this is true, hear me out..

Under ‘intel’ stock settings, you get the 5.1 boost for a minimal amount of time on limited cores, then everything drops back (can’t remember the numbers exactly but between 4 and 4.5 I think!)

If you leave everything stock but enable the ASUS settings (MCE I think it’s called) then you maintain the 5.1 but at absolutely absurd voltage and temps, nothing I was comfortable leaving permanently.

So.. I figured I’d try for an all core ‘middle ground’ OC, I’m upgrading from a 2600k system I built 10 years ago so the 10/11 series argument is a bit irrelevant to me, it’s a massive upgrade either way!
 
Adam1712 said:
It’s taken me all weekend to figure this out, but I don’t think this is true, hear me out..

Under ‘intel’ stock settings, you get the 5.1 boost for a minimal amount of time on limited cores, then everything drops back (can’t remember the numbers exactly but between 4 and 4.5 I think!)

If you leave everything stock but enable the ASUS settings (MCE I think it’s called) then you maintain the 5.1 but at absolutely absurd voltage and temps, nothing I was comfortable leaving permanently.

So.. I figured I’d try for an all core ‘middle ground’ OC, I’m upgrading from a 2600k system I built 10 years ago so the 10/11 series argument is a bit irrelevant to me, it’s a massive upgrade either way!
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Firstly stop torture testing with prime avx , all it does is draw insane amounts of power and voltage just to create a equally insane amount of heat.

The 11700k is just a down binned 11900k so you need to dial back your expectations.
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Forget the AVX offset, just leave it at zero, set remove all limits and enable Mce, dial in 5ghz all core and set the voltages manually

Set LLC to level 6 and set a core voltage of around 1.3v and work either up or down from there

Set Vccio and VCSA to 1.15v

Test with realbench and Cinebench and play some games

Once you get stable you can play with cache and Xmp and see how much of a voltage bump you need to get to the next turbo bin (5.1)
 
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Adam1712 said:
Hi! New to the forum sorry if this is in the wrong place!..

In short, I'm just setting up my 11700K, ROG Z590-E MB and CM360ML AIO.. I'm happy with the general BIOS settings and am just fine tuning the final numbers, going for an all core stable OC I'm at..

VCore - 1.3V (Manual)
Ratio - 48 (-2 AVX Offset)
Temps - 79C (91C with AVX) (27-33C at idle)

These are based on 10min P95 small fft.

I can push 5.0 with 1.39V but I have to drop the AVX to -6 (maintaining 4.4) otherwise AVX temps skyrocket.

Just wondering what your thoughts are? Is it worth the extra voltage for the extra 0.2 OC, will be used for gaming only!

Thanks! If you need any other info please let me know!
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I wouldn’t bother with an AVX offset. Probs best just to go to 4.9 or lower all core for better temps/lower voltage. The performance increase for say 5.1 if you could hit that wouldn’t be worth the heat.

I don’t agree with leaving it at stock due to the voltage and heat over an overclock or undervolt.
 
darket said:
Firstly stop torture testing with prime avx , all it does is draw insane amounts of power and voltage just to create a equally insane amount of heat.

The 11700k is just a down binned 11900k so you need to dial back your expectations.
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Forget the AVX offset, just leave it at zero, set remove all limits and enable Mce, dial in 5ghz all core and set the voltages manually

Set LLC to level 6 and set a core voltage of around 1.3v and work either up or down from there

Set Vccio and VCSA to 1.15v

Test with realbench and Cinebench and play some games

Once you get stable you can play with cache and Xmp and see how much of a voltage bump you need to get to the next turbo bin (5.1)
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This.

Rocketlake seems very much like Ryzen 3K/5K in that they've had the 'single core' speeds almost fully maximised at stock settings.
 
Steve Hel said:
I wouldn’t bother with an AVX offset. Probs best just to go to 4.9 or lower all core for better temps/lower voltage. The performance increase for say 5.1 if you could hit that wouldn’t be worth the heat.

I don’t agree with leaving it at stock due to the voltage and heat over an overclock or undervolt.
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I need the AVX offset to get anywhere near 5.1 or 4.9 (if I'm testing with AVX at least!) as I can't get AVX over 4.6 without 1.35V+

I've seen the other comment about not using P95 tests, I've always been on the side of 'if it isn't stable in ALL situations then it isn't stable at all' but I've also not been overclocking for the last 6/7 years what's the opinion on that? I think I could get 5.0/5.1 on non AVX pretty easily my issue is..

To get 5.0/5.1 i have to increase V to 1.34 or so, which I'm okay with, but it means when I run AVX tests (even with an offset to keep at 4.6) the extra V puts my temps too high (i.e. 4.6 @ 1.29V is much cooler than 4.6 @ 1.34V)..
 
MartinPrince said:
This.

Rocketlake seems very much like Ryzen 3K/5K in that they've had the 'single core' speeds almost fully maximised at stock settings.
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I'm no pro by any means but I agree with this.. I think about the best you can expect is getting an all core OC to the level of the stock single core... Within reasonable temps/voltages anyway! I thin the advertising is a bit misleading anyway though.. 'Stock' does not hold a single core at 5.1 for any meaningful amount of time, its like building the worlds fastest electric car but only giving it half a mile range!
 
Adam1712 said:
Helpful.. I didn't purchase 'for overclocking' I purchased for gaming, but since it can be I'd like to get the most out of it
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mad mentioned before, leave the cpu at stock for maximum gaming performance

you bought the wrong cpu for overclocking, return it to the store and get a 10900k if you enjoy overclocking
 
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Adam1712 said:
I need the AVX offset to get anywhere near 5.1 or 4.9 (if I'm testing with AVX at least!) as I can't get AVX over 4.6 without 1.35V+

I've seen the other comment about not using P95 tests, I've always been on the side of 'if it isn't stable in ALL situations then it isn't stable at all' but I've also not been overclocking for the last 6/7 years what's the opinion on that? I think I could get 5.0/5.1 on non AVX pretty easily my issue is..

To get 5.0/5.1 i have to increase V to 1.34 or so, which I'm okay with, but it means when I run AVX tests (even with an offset to keep at 4.6) the extra V puts my temps too high (i.e. 4.6 @ 1.29V is much cooler than 4.6 @ 1.34V)..
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I used to run prime 95, Linpack extreme, real bench etc. Thing is I was fully stable in all stress tests, but 5 minutes in Apex legends would throw errors. I’m not saying don’t stress test, but it certainly doesn’t mean you are 100%, and it’s better to test whatever your use case will be after some stress tests, that aren’t to brutal.

I dropped my 10900k down to 4.9 because temps are more important to me than 5.1. In gaming, it’s not going to make much difference performance wise but the temps being lower will be more beneficial.
 
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