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11700K v 5800X for best gaming CPU

Had a look through the other day.

It is a notable difference that the intel cpu does seem crippled in some high fps games. The gap can be so big it looks like a substantial gpu upgrade.

In the pure gaming scenario being benchmarked its not a big deal because it really is hundreds of fps but it should mean the 5800 can sustain higher fps while multitasking which obviously isn't going on in these benchmarks.
 
regarding the Ryzen 5800x. I had two ryzen 3600 and they were great (undervolting at say 1.29v with an all core static overclock of 4.0ghz - to keep things fast and cool). I replaced one with a 3600XT and I was surprised at how much better the XT version was (4.5 ghz all core overclock again at about 1.29v). Of course a 10% increase in clock speed dosnt necessary mean 10% more FPS or 10% better benchmarks - but am very happy with the XT version - I found out that it was much better than the standard specifications that were published (ie. could push it much more and it was so much cooler).

Anyhow perhaps you may want to consider the ryzen 5600XT that will be coming out shortly - it should have enough threads and cores for gaming in the future and I think will actually be better than the published specs (once they come out).
 
A couple of things about this, as we have seen many times before the 5800X doesn't stretch its 20% + leads over the Intel CPU until we get to very high frame rates, and the high percentage leads are completely consistent with high FPS games. This is down to the diffrence in how much the GPU is the Bottleneck and how much the CPU is the bottleneck.
Of course they don't tell you that. Steve here calls these games "high FPS games" and makes the argument "well who needs more than 200 FPS?" there are such things as 240Hz and 360Hz screens but that's besides the point, he also uses those arguments to say "there is really no difference in performance between these CPU's" Well clearly there is.

Its this completely dismissive nature of Zen 3 performance in games that narks me a little, its as if he's a little annoyed that AMD have answered their critics and are now the best choice in CPU's no mater what you want or need them for, in other words AMD are no longer the ones whose sole existence is to provide a price check and cheap alternatives to Intel, and they don't like it because now they can't say "AMD's CPU should be much cheaper than Intel's" which has been their whole theme for years, so now what? Say that to Intel? No, never going to happen.

100% agree.

When the Zen 3 lineup was released also, he was soooo critical of the 5800x against the other Zen 3 chips, oh now look, thats the one he picks to go up against intel.

I think with that youtube channel and that guy, I think he does a really good job of testing things is a fair and unbiased way, gives all the stats which I am sure are accurate, then almost seems to ignore all of the hard work he has just done, and gives an opinion based on god knows what.

As to which CPU, I have a 5800x and the thing is a beast, couln't be happier, do not regret choosing that over a 5900x or 5600x and definitiely not against anything intel at the moment. They overclock so well also which is what his figures dont factor in (forgive me if he has I ahvnt watched the video but I am familiar with teh channel he doesnt normally).
 
100% agree.

When the Zen 3 lineup was released also, he was soooo critical of the 5800x against the other Zen 3 chips, oh now look, thats the one he picks to go up against intel.

I think with that youtube channel and that guy, I think he does a really good job of testing things is a fair and unbiased way, gives all the stats which I am sure are accurate, then almost seems to ignore all of the hard work he has just done, and gives an opinion based on god knows what.

As to which CPU, I have a 5800x and the thing is a beast, couln't be happier, do not regret choosing that over a 5900x or 5600x and definitiely not against anything intel at the moment. They overclock so well also which is what his figures dont factor in (forgive me if he has I ahvnt watched the video but I am familiar with teh channel he doesnt normally).
Everyone was critical of the 5800x cause the price was terrible, $150 for two more cores over the 5600x, $100 less for 4 less cores than the 5900x. Prices are much better now.
 
100% agree.

When the Zen 3 lineup was released also, he was soooo critical of the 5800x against the other Zen 3 chips, oh now look, thats the one he picks to go up against intel.

I think with that youtube channel and that guy, I think he does a really good job of testing things is a fair and unbiased way, gives all the stats which I am sure are accurate, then almost seems to ignore all of the hard work he has just done, and gives an opinion based on god knows what.

As to which CPU, I have a 5800x and the thing is a beast, couln't be happier, do not regret choosing that over a 5900x or 5600x and definitiely not against anything intel at the moment. They overclock so well also which is what his figures dont factor in (forgive me if he has I ahvnt watched the video but I am familiar with teh channel he doesnt normally).

I think he's just a little activist in nature, i mean, look, he did the same thing with Intel, in his testing the 9900K was "6% faster than the 3600" of course its more than that, its actually about 20% faster, if not more if you allow the 9900K to really stretch its legs, its very easy to engineer your gaming results so that the GPU rather than the CPU is the bottleneck, even at 1080P, and this is what he did comparing the 9900K to the 3600.
Why? not because he's an AMD fanboi, or that he hates Intel, he's the type of guy who calls himself an "influencer" He thinks its his job to force these companies to drag down prices and he doesn't think he's lying to his audience, technically he isn't, but its still very misleading, 90% of his audience will take his slides at face value, they ain't going to understand that what you're actually looking at is the performance of the GPU, not the CPU, and he knows it.

Let me show you something.

The first slide is taken from one of those videos where he made the argument that the Ryzen 3600 is just as fast as every other CPU, he particulary points at the Ryzen 5600X and makes the argument its not worth much more than the 3600, what are AMD doing charging this much more money for the same CPU..... that sort of crap.

He used a 6700XT as the test GPU, which he states at the beginning of the video with some ridiculous excuse as to who not a much master GPU, and his makes that admission so quickly if you had tuned out for 3 seconds you would have missed it.

So, notice the 220'ish FPS of the 3600, the 230'ish FPS of the 5600X? What's that? +5%? There it is proving his argument.

The second slide, the same game, the same benchmark, different reviewer, notice the 3600 at about 220'ish FPS?, not notice the 5600X at 320 FPS, a whopping 45% faster.

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Updated to include the 10700K.


TL;DW: They're about the same for gamers. Get whichever you want.

Why does he keep saying the 5800X is $430? where is he cherry picking that from? for about 6 weeks now it been at $380 to $390 on the world's largest retailer, that's a $50 difference.
 
Why does he keep saying the 5800X is $430? where is he cherry picking that from? for about 6 weeks now it been at $380 to $390 on the world's largest retailer, that's a $50 difference.
Cheapest available right now is $420. It was probably $430 when he checked.
 
Cheapest available right now is $420. It was probably $430 when he checked.

No it isn't, its $394, i just checked, again, i've been checking it since it came out, it has not been more than $400 for weeks. its been as low as $370.
 
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