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13900ks the last lga1700 ?

As far as I can make out they haven’t officially announced anything, although their roadmap is published there’s been plenty of rumours about the possibility of a Raptor Lake refresh. But this would be very strange indeed form Intel, I can’t remember historically when they’ve offered 3 series of CPU’s on a single socket. Based on everything, yeah it should be the last…
 
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Can’t see them squeezing anymore than they already have to be honest. I’m surprised the 13900ks is even happening.
 
Well they could cause mass histeria do 14th gen on current socket. Would be a real shocker if they stuck to same socket for one more gen and would stick it hard to amd.
But this is intel...
 
How can it not be clear lmao, Intel CEO literally got on stage a couple years ago and said they will be doing two generations per chipset and socket. It's not a secret
 
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Grim5 said:
How can it not be clear lmao, Intel CEO literally got on stage a couple years ago and said they will be doing two generations per chipset and socket. It's not a secret
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Oh I think it is clear, there just seem to be some rumours going around about it:

‘But with Intel Meteor Lake-S allegedly canceled, it looks like we have to revise what we know about the Intel Desktop Core lineup. So starting with 2023, Intel plans to launch the Raptor Lake Refresh CPU family which will replace the existing chips with higher core clocks and an optimized process to enable better power delivery. The latest roadmap confirms this and they will be compatible with all existing LGA 1700/1800 socketed motherboards. This would mean that the current socket would last a good three generations of CPUs.’

wccftech.com

Intel Meteor Lake-S Desktop CPUs Rumored To Be Cancelled, LGA 1851 Might Support Trio of Core Families

According to the latest rumors, Intel might be cancelling Meteor Lake Desktop CPUs but launch three desktop families n the LGA 1851 socket.
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Oh I think it is clear, there just seem to be some rumours going around about it:

‘But with Intel Meteor Lake-S allegedly canceled, it looks like we have to revise what we know about the Intel Desktop Core lineup. So starting with 2023, Intel plans to launch the Raptor Lake Refresh CPU family which will replace the existing chips with higher core clocks and an optimized process to enable better power delivery. The latest roadmap confirms this and they will be compatible with all existing LGA 1700/1800 socketed motherboards. This would mean that the current socket would last a good three generations of CPUs.’

wccftech.com

Intel Meteor Lake-S Desktop CPUs Rumored To Be Cancelled, LGA 1851 Might Support Trio of Core Families

According to the latest rumors, Intel might be cancelling Meteor Lake Desktop CPUs but launch three desktop families n the LGA 1851 socket.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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But should anyone truly consider a refresh a generation?

LGA1150 was Broadwell, Haswell, and Haswell Refresh but I considered that two not three generations. Rebrands are rebrands, and new model numbers and a slight increase in clocks (although it is hard to see where Raptor Lake could go there at least for the top SKUs) doesn't change that IMO.
 
KompuKare said:
But should anyone truly consider a refresh a generation?

LGA1150 was Broadwell, Haswell, and Haswell Refresh but I considered that two not three generations. Rebrands are rebrands, and new model numbers and a slight increase in clocks (although it is hard to see where Raptor Lake could go there at least for the top SKUs) doesn't change that IMO.
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Yeah it’s unlikely, but I suppose it depends just how much of a refresh they really are. Plus, if they call them 14000 series CPU’s or not. We will have to wait and see - but ultimately don’t buy a LGA1700 board and expect future CPU’s to be released for it.

I still think it’s a good platform though, it’s very fast and for most people who don’t upgrade every or every other gen, then it will easily last years especially with PCIE 5.0 support.
 
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Can’t see them squeezing anymore than they already have to be honest. I’m surprised the 13900ks is even happening.
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13900KS are a higher binned P Core 13900K. It will be very possible to have a 13900K better than a 13900KS

Case in point here:
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This 13900KS has above average P cores, but god awful E Cores.
 
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OC2000 said:
13900KS are a higher binned P Core 13900K. It will be very possible to have a 13900K better than a 13900KS

Case in point here:
UrRZDCRh.jpg

This 13900KS has above average P cores, but god awful E Cores.
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Will be hard to judge how the KS will be at the moment, the SP ratings and VID table will most likely be off as it was with 12th gen KS. We need quite a few more in the wild to pass judgement. I'm hoping they will be binned better than 12900KS but I doubt it. I have a 13900k lapped and delided 103sp 111/88 which I can run 58-62, 47e, 51ring, 7000C30 which is stable enough for everything I run with temps maxing at 87c during R23. So not so sure it's worth me taking a punt on the KS, rather spend the money on going direct die tbh but trying to get a block is tough
 
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Will be hard to judge how the KS will be at the moment, the SP ratings and VID table will most likely be off as it was with 12th gen KS. We need quite a few more in the wild to pass judgement. I'm hoping they will be binned better than 12900KS but I doubt it. I have a 13900k lapped and delided 103sp 111/88 which I can run 58-62, 47e, 51ring, 7000C30 which is stable enough for everything I run with temps maxing at 87c during R23. So not so sure it's worth me taking a punt on the KS, rather spend the money on going direct die tbh but trying to get a block is tough
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Hope so, the predictions are saying 1.322 for 4300 E core. For comparison my ECore SP 80 is predicting 1.22 for 4300.
What voltage and Watts are you using for 5.8 all core? My P core SP113 isn't delidded and needs 1.27 (310W) to loop C23 at around 85C haven't bothered stabilising 5.8 as it will require unsafe amounts.
Will buy a 13900KS today if they come out in the UK
 
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OC2000 said:
Hope so, the predictions are saying 1.322 for 4300 E core. For comparison my ECore SP 80 is predicting 1.22 for 4300.
What voltage and Watts are you using for 5.8 all core? My P core SP113 isn't delidded and needs 1.27 (310W) to loop C23 at around 85C haven't bothered stabilising 5.8 as it will require unsafe amounts.
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Can't remember voltage required. I could run x58 R23 before delid/lap but couldn't loop it, probably still can't tbh, bench runs and gaming is fine though. Using 2x 45mm 360 rads for CPU only. Also did a x59 R23 suicide run, which ran but clocked down half way through, so the chip scales well with temps. Unlike my 12900KS which just hit a wall no matter what voltage I put through it. Delid and lapping gained me around 12c and less wattage so it was worth doing. Lapping surprised me more than the delid, having a tighter core temp spread, which dropped from about 13c between cores to around 7c and a 3c overall drop in temps.
As your P cores are a little better than mine it would be worth doing but then you'd be in the same boat as me, is the KS worth it? Probably not worth the extra outlay unless you got lucky.
With yours, delid, lap and direct die you'd most likely be running X59 for quick benches and gaming
 
OC2000 said:
13900KS are a higher binned P Core 13900K. It will be very possible to have a 13900K better than a 13900KS

Case in point here:
UrRZDCRh.jpg

This 13900KS has above average P cores, but god awful E Cores.
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Better at what cost? Even more power would be ridiculous.
 
Yup, it's the end. Sadly though Meteor Lake is projected to be a complete dud on desktop, so Intel fans will have to wait even longer for an upgrade.
 
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