1440p or 1080p 144hz?

Deehjay

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Thinking of replacing my current gpu with the newly release GTX 970 and alongside it I'd like a new monitor since I've had these generic cheap Philips ones for far too long.

I was looking mainly at two in particular:

YOUR BASKET
1 x AOC G2460PQU 24" Widescreen 144Hz 1ms Gaming LED Monitor - Gunmetal £199.99
Total : £209.59 (includes shipping : £8.00).



I was mainly looking at this one but then I came across a video on YouTube showcasing a Korean 1440p monitor for around the same price. I'd like to know the benefits I'll have of going for the (I assume) 60/75hz 1440p monitor vs the 1080p 144hz monitor. I am a little skeptical about the Korean monitor as some people say that this specific model is known to have some issues with dead pixels, and obviously the fact it's from Korea on the other side of the world gives me some worries if I were to run into problems with the monitor, whereas the 1080p one in question is available here at OC.

(Not sure if I'm allowed to mention the manufacturer/model of this monitor? I've seen other people on the forum just saying Korean monitor)

The monitor will be used mostly for gaming.

Thanks.
 
Alright well it seems pretty obvious which one I'm talking about anyway since it seems to be one of the most popular; the other option in question is the X-Star DP2710.
 
my advice would be to stay clear of the Korean monitors. From personal experience testing several from different manufacturers there are some noticeable issues:

1) they never seem to live up to their great paper spec. they sound brilliant, but a lot of the claims are false and not accurate. for example some advertise they can be overclocked to 120Hz. sure, some of them happily accept a 120Hz input signal without much hassle from the graphics card. however, many just drop the additional frames and so it makes it entirely pointless. most of the overclockable korean models have this issue, apart from some which you pay a hefty premium for through specialist channels. if you buy from elsewhere it's really hit and miss, and a lot just dont live up to the claims.

in addition to that there are other claims which sound good on paper like virtual 4k support (pointless imo) and flicker free backlights (often not flicker free at all!). see the QNIX QX2710 review for instance as an example of a monitor which can't live up to its hype:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/qnix_qx2710.htm


2) secondly the main problem even with the models which CAN be overclocked without dropping frames (90 - 100Hz would be a "good" model really), their response times normally dont keep up! out of all the IPS-type monitors i've tested, the Korean models tend to have sub-par and moderate response times at best. they arent even as fast as a "good" IPS panel and so you are left with a high frame rate support, but slow response times. this leads to lots of blurring and poor pixel response times....not good! again a lot of big claims in the spec, never realistic from what i've seen. To really cope with a high 120Hz+ frame rate you need much lower response times. at the moment, IPS-type panels can't offer that, which is why at the moment you can't get any 120Hz+ refresh rate IPS panels! TN Film models with 120HZ support have much faster response times which can cope with the increased frame rate

3) support and warranty is questionable or at least a real pain when imported like that from Korean

4) build quality is not always very good. you get what you pay for

5) they miss any additional gaming features which really do make a difference like blur reduction backlights, G-sync etc.


if you want a truly good gaming screen you would be much better sticking with a decent regular screen with a TN Film panel. The ASus ROG Swift PG278Q is probably the best gaming screen you can buy at the moment (1440p res, G-sync support). BenQ make some very good gaming screens too if the Asus is too much, look at the XL2720Z or smaller XL2420Z / XL2411Z models
 
You comments about Korean monitors also apply to 60Hz 2560x1440 monitors available to puchase directly in the UK.

If you're not trying to overclock them, then the only concern is the warranty.

For example, the Shimian monitors are the same as the Hazro monitors, as they'll be using the same OEM for the parts. Any time Shimian monitors have changed visually, so have Hazro's.

So overclocking, which the op doesn't seem to want to do, and virtual "4K" which is pointless as you've said, lack of a strobing backlight, G-Sync and so on is all largely irrelevant as they're largely the same as other 2560x1440 monitors out.

The features you've mentioned are things that are advertised as being features, so I'm sure the OP knows that he won't be getting them if he goes for a Korean one.

To add balance, I have 4 Korean monitors made by Achieva, they are the Shimian tempered glass models with the bezel over the glass.

They have all been fine, and I've had no issues with them at all.
 
Baddass said:
my advice would be to stay clear of the Korean monitors. From personal experience testing several from different manufacturers there are some noticeable issues:

1) they never seem to live up to their great paper spec. they sound brilliant, but a lot of the claims are false and not accurate. for example some advertise they can be overclocked to 120Hz. sure, some of them happily accept a 120Hz input signal without much hassle from the graphics card. however, many just drop the additional frames and so it makes it entirely pointless. most of the overclockable korean models have this issue, apart from some which you pay a hefty premium for through specialist channels. if you buy from elsewhere it's really hit and miss, and a lot just dont live up to the claims.

in addition to that there are other claims which sound good on paper like virtual 4k support (pointless imo) and flicker free backlights (often not flicker free at all!). see the QNIX QX2710 review for instance as an example of a monitor which can't live up to its hype:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/qnix_qx2710.htm


2) secondly the main problem even with the models which CAN be overclocked without dropping frames (90 - 100Hz would be a "good" model really), their response times normally dont keep up! out of all the IPS-type monitors i've tested, the Korean models tend to have sub-par and moderate response times at best. they arent even as fast as a "good" IPS panel and so you are left with a high frame rate support, but slow response times. this leads to lots of blurring and poor pixel response times....not good! again a lot of big claims in the spec, never realistic from what i've seen. To really cope with a high 120Hz+ frame rate you need much lower response times. at the moment, IPS-type panels can't offer that, which is why at the moment you can't get any 120Hz+ refresh rate IPS panels! TN Film models with 120HZ support have much faster response times which can cope with the increased frame rate

3) support and warranty is questionable or at least a real pain when imported like that from Korean

4) build quality is not always very good. you get what you pay for

5) they miss any additional gaming features which really do make a difference like blur reduction backlights, G-sync etc.


if you want a truly good gaming screen you would be much better sticking with a decent regular screen with a TN Film panel. The ASus ROG Swift PG278Q is probably the best gaming screen you can buy at the moment (1440p res, G-sync support). BenQ make some very good gaming screens too if the Asus is too much, look at the XL2720Z or smaller XL2420Z / XL2411Z models
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Thanks for the help. Honestly after posting this thread I became a lot more skeptical after reading the rules post regarding these monitors. I'd love to buy an ROG Swift, although they're well out of my budget. I was thinking of potentially stretching to £300-ish to buy this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x AOC G2460PG 24" Widescreen G-Sync 144Hz 1ms Gaming LED Monitor - Gunmetal £319.99
Total : £329.59 (includes shipping : £8.00).



Although it isn't 1440p, it is G-Sync enabled which seems to be quite a promising feature, alongside the 144hz. Thoughts?
 
The rules regarding these Korean monitors on these forums aren't there to protect anyone but Overclockers from people possibly buying a Korean monitor over one that they sell.

The rules used to be that you literally couldn't talk about them at all, until they realised how unreasonable that was, especially because there's a fair amount of us on these forums that have them (as above, I have 4, no issues).
 
Deehjay said:
Thanks for the help. Honestly after posting this thread I became a lot more skeptical after reading the rules post regarding these monitors. I'd love to buy an ROG Swift, although they're well out of my budget. I was thinking of potentially stretching to £300-ish to buy this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x AOC G2460PG 24" Widescreen G-Sync 144Hz 1ms Gaming LED Monitor - Gunmetal £319.99
Total : £329.59 (includes shipping : £8.00).



Although it isn't 1440p, it is G-Sync enabled which seems to be quite a promising feature, alongside the 144hz. Thoughts?
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Just found this as well:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Acer K272HUL 27" Widescreen LED Gaming Slim Bezel Flicker FREE Monitor - Black £319.99
Total : £329.59 (includes shipping : £8.00).




Which would it have to be between this and the AOC? The Acer is 1440p but doesn't have 144hz and 6ms response time, whereas the AOC is 1080p but has 144hz, 1ms response, and G-sync enabled.

One problem I thought with the 1440p though is that I might be wanting to use 3 monitors in some games. I guess using 2 1080p monitors and one 1440p would prohibit this from being possible?
 
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the AOC would be a better gaming screen thanks to its faster TN Film panel, better response times, 144Hz refresh rate support and G-sync. the Acer is a more general all-round screen with an AHVA panel (similar to IPS technology). for gaming, the AOC would be a much better choice
 
spoffle said:
The rules used to be that you literally couldn't talk about them at all, until they realised how unreasonable that was, especially because there's a fair amount of us on these forums that have them (as above, I have 4, no issues).
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it was nothing to do with whether it was reasonable or unreasonable. Discussion about Korean monitors was originally banned because people couldn't help themselves when it came to discussing pricing and competitors, therefore breaking the rules. many many warnings were given and people couldn't stick to them, so we had to do a blanket ban on discussion about them. After a while we decided to lift this ban to see if people could be trusted to not break the rules and discuss them properly....so far, most people have been sensible :)
 
That's assuming the competitor rule itself is reasonable, which I don't think it is either, or at least quite petty, especially because prices and purchasing locations can be discussed via trust messages easily enough anyway, but I suppose that isn't really for this thread.
 
Baddass said:
the AOC would be a better gaming screen thanks to its faster TN Film panel, better response times, 144Hz refresh rate support and G-sync. the Acer is a more general all-round screen with an AHVA panel (similar to IPS technology). for gaming, the AOC would be a much better choice
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So all-in-all would this be the best monitor purely for gaming purposes around this price point?

Only problem with monitors is that they don't have that huge of a market imo, there's hardly any videos of any monitor I ever look into apart from either the real budget ones, or the real expensive ones, and hardly ever any reviews!
 
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Deehjay said:
So all-in-all would this be the best monitor purely for gaming purposes around this price point?

Only problem with monitors is that they don't have that huge of a market imo, there's hardly any videos of any monitor I ever look into apart from either the real budget ones, or the real expensive ones, and hardly ever any reviews!
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I have a 1080P 144Hz and honestly dude it's worth it, Just get the AOC, It's a great buy :)
 
spoffle said:
That's assuming the competitor rule itself is reasonable, which I don't think it is either, or at least quite petty, especially because prices and purchasing locations can be discussed via trust messages easily enough anyway, but I suppose that isn't really for this thread.
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i don't make the rules, they are laid out by the people who pay for the forums and this site and so we as users have to abide by them if we want to post here. I'm only here to enforce the rules which ever member agreed to when they signed up to use the forums.
 
Deehjay said:
So all-in-all would this be the best monitor purely for gaming purposes around this price point?

Only problem with monitors is that they don't have that huge of a market imo, there's hardly any videos of any monitor I ever look into apart from either the real budget ones, or the real expensive ones, and hardly ever any reviews!
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there's plenty of review sites out there but with so many screens released it's not possible to get reviews of them all. The trick is knowing where monitors are similar under the hood and so you can make pretty good assumptions and comparisons with other similar models. Shameless plug for reviews, www.tftcentral.co.uk :) also check out the sticky in this forum section as there's loads of useful links in there.

anyway if you want G-sync then that AOC is probably going to be the most affordable option. If you arent bothered about G-sync then there are also the BenQ XL2420Z and XL2411Z models which are a little cheaper (As they dont have G-sync) but which are excellent gaming screens nonetheless.
 
Baddass said:
there's plenty of review sites out there but with so many screens released it's not possible to get reviews of them all. The trick is knowing where monitors are similar under the hood and so you can make pretty good assumptions and comparisons with other similar models. Shameless plug for reviews, www.tftcentral.co.uk :) also check out the sticky in this forum section as there's loads of useful links in there.

anyway if you want G-sync then that AOC is probably going to be the most affordable option. If you arent bothered about G-sync then there are also the BenQ XL2420Z and XL2411Z models which are a little cheaper (As they dont have G-sync) but which are excellent gaming screens nonetheless.
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Thanks for the help! Seems like the AOC would definitely be the best option if I can stretch my budget. Do you have any idea if there'll be any new monitors coming out in the forthcoming months that could potentially rival this monitor in this price range? I'm talking specifically between now and Christmas. If there are then I don't mind holding off for now.
 
not heard of any although AOC do tend to be very competitive from a pricing point of view. i expect rival models with G-sync from the likes of BenQ will be a fair bit more, especially when you consider the price of their current recent XL2430T screen
 
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