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Quick question... what's the shelf life of Thermal Paste? Found some new in packaging MX4 in my stash and it's at least 6 years old, unopened.

EDIT: Googled it, and their site says 8 years unopened, literally says that on the packaging too. Do I use it for a new build or scrap and replace... The latter probably makes sense given its price and the uncertainty...
 
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So this is my wishlist thus far. Unsure between PSUs and the motherboard is a little OTT really, but like the look of it etc.

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Just need AIO cooler and RGB fans, cos I'm a tart. It's a phanteks case, so phanteks D30s would make sense. I would like addressable RGB via a single peice of software if possible and, so, I'll not be using the RGB case buttons. From reading the manual, however, I can connect the case RGB/fan hub to an ARGB header and use aura sync. Can I get a sanity check on this please?
 
So this is my wishlist thus far. Unsure between PSUs and the motherboard is a little OTT really, but like the look of it etc.

Can I get a sanity check on this please?
Could you restate the key info again please (usage of PC, resolution, budget, important wants/not wants)? The thread is kind of long and I'm easily confused.

On the face of it, my first thought is: priceeeeeey. I'd buy a case with the fans attached, like the Lian Li 216. Downgrade the motherboard to B760-F Strix, maybe with a 14700 non-K. Get slower memory, or 64GB instead. Get some cables for the cableless PSU.
 
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Could you restate the key info again please (usage of PC, resolution, budget, important wants/not wants)? The thread is kind of long and I'm easily confused.

On the face of it, my first thought is: priceeeeeey. I'd buy a case with the fans attached, like the Lian Li 216. Downgrade the motherboard to B760-F Strix, maybe with a 14700 non-K. Get slower memory, or 64GB instead. Get some cables for the cableless PSU.
Sorry dude.

3440x1440. The only strenuous thing it ever does is gaming. It may, once in a blue moon, transcode a plex movie and I wouldn't mind one day converting my bluray movies to MKV, but yeah, almost entirely gaming and working from home.

I only build a new PC every 6 years or so, so I like to go big. Probably not the best £ per FPS value over that time span, but I don't really want to build a pc more often. It's a nice fun project once in a while but IT has taken any passion for doing it more regularly out of me ha.

I certainly don't need RGB but I kinda like it. Not rainbow unicorn vomit though ha.

Edit: same goes for the show offy tempered glass case. Absolutely no need for it but I quite fancy the look, and the cable management is supposed to be really good.

Good shout about the PSU, I totally forgot about that!

When I filter down to 6000mhz RAM OCUK only seems to list expo amd stuff. 2x32GB might not be a bad shout actually. I'm definitely hitting occasional freezes when my 16GB is running out (I have a habit of leaving chrome open with 10 tabs when I'm gaming) and well my system is desperate for a fresh install.

I've gone for the KF cos I always like to give the cpu a little boost and this is also part of the reason I'm going high on AIO and cooling spec.
 
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Probably not the best £ per FPS value over that time span, but I don't really want to build a pc more often. It's a nice fun project once in a while but IT has taken any passion for doing it more regularly out of me ha.
Aha, okay, then I see why those choices.

You'll want to stick with the case, I'd imagine, but if it was me: I'd definitely downgrade the motherboard (the B760-F looks similar, at least to my eyes), get 64GB of the same, but slower memory and switch the KF for the 14700 non-K/non-F (assuming the core count and cache is still the same, I haven't actually checked).
 
Aha, okay, then I see why those choices.

You'll want to stick with the case, I'd imagine, but if it was me: I'd definitely downgrade the motherboard (the B760-F looks similar, at least to my eyes), get 64GB of the same, but slower memory and switch the KF for the 14700 non-K/non-F (assuming the core count and cache is still the same, I haven't actually checked).
Thanks dude, I've put a canny sized edit in my post above addressing those suggestions. TL;DR, taken on board and assessing. :)
 
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What are your "must have" or "nice to have" features?

You liked the aesthetics of the Strix boards, if I recall?

Honestly, I don't know, as building a PC not even twice a decade means I'm usually out of the loop on features. Like, I'm still aware there are PCI lane limits meaning it's best not to fill all M.2 or RAM slots etc. It's just trying to remember on which of the 17'000 boards available which slots are the right to use.

Essentially, I do not need lots of storage space, and by all accounts there's almost 0 need for PCI-E5 for storage or GPUs, and its unlikely that I'll notice any slow downs due to the lack thereof in this build's lifetime. So strike PCI-E5 off the list.

I recently acquired a 990Pro 2TB for Games, so I'll buy a new 1TB for OS and reuse the current 512GB OS drive for user docs or OneDrive/Google Drive sync cache (I'm trying to get cloud based, simply for ease), or I just leave the SSD in place and sell the whole current rig as a basic 1080p gaming rig in the MM.

The board needs to be 'pretty' - I don't to see PCB tracks everywhere and horrible out of place components, and really don't want any tack. The MSI tomahawk and Strix z790 boards look quite nice, but there's like 5(?) strix z790 gaming wifi boards to choose from alone.

I need to research the difference between the B760 and and Z790 boards to find out if I really even need the Z790 chipset. I won't be doing any competition OC'ing, and I don't really yet know enough about the 14th gen to know that I will even need to. I'm led to believe that you can essentially let it boost/clock itself until thermally throttled? Either way, this is where the notion of needing a quality board comes in.

I'm leaning towards an NV7 or O11D Evo case and going a little tarty (stupid) with their matching RGB fans, but either way I'll be using an rgb hub, so 27 ARGB headers is not necessary.

Does a board need to support ATX3? I'll be getting ATX3 PSU as this will usually live a decade and I do have plans for a RTX 5080 hopefully.


EDIT: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI seems to meet the requirements, budget, and aesthetics, but I do not seem to see it on OCUK's site.
 
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If you want to some what future proof your build you want a motherboard with pcie5 and m2 pcie5 slots . A motherboard doesn't need to be atx 3.0 .

The Tomahawk has this for the GPU but only has pcie4 for the m2 .

Take a look at the MSI CARBON WiFi
 
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If you want to some what future proof your build you want a motherboard with pcie5 and m2 pcie5 slots . A motherboard doesn't need to be atx 3.0 .

The Tomahawk has this for the GPU but only has pcie4 for the m2 .

Take a look at the MSI CARBON WiFi
No point futureproofing an LGA1700 build though; it's EOL. Part of me thinks I should hold out and go for 15700k but who knows what prices will be like, and I don't hold out any hope for their being cheaper...
 
No point futureproofing an LGA1700 build though; it's EOL. Part of me thinks I should hold out and go for 15700k but who knows what prices will be like, and I don't hold out any hope for their being cheaper...
Look how long you've had your 8700 so if you do the same thing with a 14700k then having pcie5 is going to be advantageous down the road.

Your right maybe you should hold off till your decided.
 
I won't be doing any competition OC'ing, and I don't really yet know enough about the 14th gen to know that I will even need to. I'm led to believe that you can essentially let it boost/clock itself until thermally throttled? Either way, this is where the notion of needing a quality board comes in.
They're pretty much all overvolted/overclocked out of the box, so that they can win in benchmarks. Undervolting is all the rage nowadays, since the gains in efficiency can be very decent for a small loss in performance.

I need to research the difference between the B760 and and Z790 boards to find out if I really even need the Z790 chipset. I won't be doing any competition OC'ing, and I don't really yet know enough about the 14th gen to know that I will even need to. I'm led to believe that you can essentially let it boost/clock itself until thermally throttled? Either way, this is where the notion of needing a quality board comes in.
The main difference is the PCI-E lanes, so e.g. you're likely to get less M.2 slots on a B760 board, though you're likely to get less of everything (including USB ports) on the lower-end ones.

I think the BIOS can be more restrictive too, so it might not expose the degree of adjustments that Z790 does, if you want to tune or undervolt.

In terms of quality and throttling: I wouldn't expect any Z790 board to have a VRM poor enough that it throttles a 14700K under typical usage. If you were going to be running @ full multithreaded load for long periods (i.e. workstation apps) then it might be worth looking into their thermal performance (HUB on YouTube cover this in their roundups/reviews), otherwise for just gaming I wouldn't worry about it.

B760: throttling is definitely possible, but as with Z790, this is unlikely when you're gaming, unless you buy a bottom of the barrel board. Decent B760 boards, like the B760-F Strix, have VRMs that are comparable to (or even better than) entry level Z790 boards, so there shouldn't be any issue there. Z790's quality is fairly consistent and capable of running anything, but the cheaper B760 boards can be optimised for only the i3 and i5 CPUs, with just 1Gb LAN, 1 or 2 M.2 slots and 2x USB 3 ports.

Like, I'm still aware there are PCI lane limits meaning it's best not to fill all M.2 or RAM slots etc.
Filling all RAM slots is more of a CPU limitation than the motherboard, so far as we know.

The PCI-E lanes: there's enough on Z790 to theoretically have 4 M.2 drives in-use simultaneously, but not all boards have 4 M.2 slots and since Z790 doesn't have any native PCI-E 5.0 lanes, PCI-E 5.0 M.2 slots steal them from the CPU's graphics lanes.

Honestly, I don't know, as building a PC not even twice a decade means I'm usually out of the loop on features.
Premium features:
- 10Gb LAN
- USB4/Thunderbolt
- WIFI 7
- USB Type-C with PD/fast charge or DP via USB
- LED post codes and onboard power/reset
- SPDIF & integrated AMP/DAC

Entry level Z790 boards (e.g. Z790 UD AX) usually have 3x M.2, 2.5 Gb LAN, 1x USB Type-C and all the M.2 slots are PCI-E 4.0.
 
Thanks for that great reply, super helpful, thank you!

So, this is my current cart. The only think I'm not quite 100% sure on is the EXPO kit having the (not 100% necessary, but very helpful) XMP profile.



Yup no fans, but this time around I fancy some pointless bling, so I'm going for 3x Lian Li TL 120mm reverse flow intakes for the bottom, 3x TL 120mm LCD reverse flow intakes for side/CPU rad, and 2x TL 120/140 (just need to double check the case manual) exhaust for the rear. These, with the galahad AIO, means I should just require the single TL hub.

Anything obviously wrong stand out? I know the Vision isn't spectacular with airflow compared to the likes of the O11D, H9 Flow, or NV7, but this is a better size overall and meets all my needs. Given that 99% of any intensive usage is gaming for a couple of hours at a time, I don't think I'll have a problem. Will just dial the intakes down or crank the exhausts up a little to keep it balanced whilst maintaining positive pressure etc.
 
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Yup no fans, but this time around I fancy some pointless bling, so I'm going for 3x Lian Li TL 120mm reverse flow intakes for the bottom, 3x TL 120mm LCD reverse flow intakes for side/CPU rad, and 2x TL 120/140 (just need to double check the case manual) exhaust for the rear. These, with the galahad AIO, means I should just require the single TL hub.

Anything obviously wrong stand out? I know the Vision isn't spectacular with airflow compared to the likes of the O11D, H9 Flow, or NV7, but this is a better size overall and meets all my needs. Given that 99% of any intensive usage is gaming for a couple of hours at a time, I don't think I'll have a problem. Will just dial the intakes down or crank the exhausts up a little to keep it balanced whilst maintaining positive pressure etc.
If you're comfortable with the cost, then all good, but I'm definitely more of a fan (ha) of cases like the 216 or P600 that include enough fans for a base build.

The only think I'm not quite 100% sure on is the EXPO kit having the (not 100% necessary, but very helpful) XMP profile.
I think we covered this in the other thread, but I will say: if you're gaming at 1440p UW then I wouldn't worry about the speed. In HUB's testing with a 13900K and a 4090, at 1080p, there was only a few % between 5200 CL40 and 6000 C30 and it topped out around 5% for 7200 CL32. I'd just get a reasonably affordable kit (as close to £100 as possible).

If you're not aware, there was this thread awhile back:
 
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