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[Tosno]

Furthermore, if you earn under £18,600 and still want to bring your other half to this country that dislikes it's own citizens, you must get another job (even if you are comfortable on your salary) work there 6 months to get the minimum 6 months of bank statements of earning £18,600+ while being separated from your other half.

If you can't find a job paying £18,600+ you must leave your own homeland and move to another country to be with your other half. Thousands have done this.

No not Strict at all.

Another nice bonus for non British EU citizens, their other half visas are processed at priority for free, whereas a British spouse visa that cost £1000 have to wait months.

You can't be so daft, must be trolling?

I wish I were.

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2015...nister-admits-spouse-immigration-rules-unfair

 

[Tosno]

The non-EU partner of an EU migrant gets a spousal visa without any requirements when it comes to income and so forth? So the non-EU spouse of an unemployed EU migrant is allowed here without restriction?

That's right. Sadly I played by the rules, I would have tried to apply for ancestral Danish passport if Mrs Tosno wasn't about to pop with baby Tosno.

 

[rubberduck]

Had a guy from Cuba start work at my place and he was surprised how straight forward and cheap it was to get moved over here with his wife in tow.

 

[GAC]

Furthermore, if you earn under £18,600 and still want to bring your other half to this country that dislikes it's own citizens, you must get another job (even if you are comfortable on your salary) work there 6 months to get the minimum 6 months of bank statements of earning £18,600+ while being separated from your other half.

im in this boat, the way things are going il have to leave the uk unless i can get a better job/higher income or the gf bags a job that gets her a visa. both looking rather improbable the way things are.

 

[Tosno]

im in this boat, the way things are going il have to leave the uk unless i can get a better job/higher income or the gf bags a job that gets her a visa. both looking rather improbable the way things are.

If both are improbable and you still want to live here, surinder singh route is only legal way, you and your girlfriend move to an EU country, move your centre of life there, you must rent, work, be active in the local community for minimum 6 months (better a year) collect all the papers and then move back to Britain with your girlfriend using your EU treaty rights.

BBC did a good article about it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23029195

So much relationship, emotional, and financial stress British must suffer to have a family. I ended up overstaying 3 months in Russia because my wife was denied her first visa, I wasn't going to leave her pregnant in 3rd trimester with complications because she got denied her first spouse visa. When she got her visa the second time, I had to hand my self in to Russian FMS, they took my fingerprints and then I got sent to court. Luckily for me they understood my position, gave me a slap on the wrist 5000 ruble fine (£60) and didn't ban me from Russia. Then FMS gave me an exit visa. I was treated with much greater kindness and respect being a criminal in Russia than being a honest citizen of Britain.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Seems the unfair part is the loophole that allows eu nationals to skip the requirements. It doesn't seem unreasonable that a British citizen most show they can support a family before allowing residence to a foreign national who would not otherwise qualify. The salary requirements look reasonably low.

 

[GAC]

Seems the unfair part is the loophole that allows eu nationals to skip the requirements. It doesn't seem unreasonable that a British citizen most show they can support a family before allowing residence to a foreign national who would not otherwise qualify. The salary requirements look reasonably low.

for most people they probably are. for me just a tad too much so i get the option of breaking up or leaving the uk.

 

[dowie]

I would have ....

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[dowie]

Seems the unfair part is the loophole that allows eu nationals to skip the requirements. It doesn't seem unreasonable that a British citizen most show they can support a family before allowing residence to a foreign national who would not otherwise qualify. The salary requirements look reasonably low.

this really

I don't see the issue with it to be honest, tis quite a reasonable requirement.

I do think the government is being a bit silly with student visas, allowing graduates to stay for a while beyond their course would be fairly sensible. Granting student visas to people studying in dodgy language schools above fired chicken shops isn't sensible....

 

[Tosno]

Seems the unfair part is the loophole that allows eu nationals to skip the requirements. It doesn't seem unreasonable that a British citizen most show they can support a family before allowing residence to a foreign national who would not otherwise qualify. The salary requirements look reasonably low.

Not just eu nationals, spouses of eu nationals straight and gay. If I were an unsavoury type of person that is not an eu citizen that wants to move to Britain, all I need to do is splash some cash to an EU EE gang member and have bromance with him and move to Britain with him for the cost of an easyjet flight. It's big business.

What is £18,600? It's a made up number by government. Try getting that payment outside of London without an university education, not a simple task, 15,000+ British citizens each year fail, even one in this thread, they have no right to a family life in their homeland.

this really

I don't see the issue with it to be honest, tis quite a reasonable requirement.

Who is richer? Person A: Earns £15,000 and owns his own home. Person B: Earns £20,000 and pays £10,000 a year in rent.

 

[[TW]Fox]

How many people earn only 15k yet own property outright? Presumably an amount small enough to not really be a consideration when forming immigration policy.

How do you support 2 adults on under 18k a year without state support?

 

[Tosno]

How many people earn only 15k yet own property outright? Presumably an amount small enough to not really be a consideration when forming immigration policy.

How do you support 2 adults on under 18k a year without state support?

You didn't answer my question. But I will answer yours, there is a handful of reasons how you can own a property outright and be on under £18,600, I'll give you a couple: inheritance or semi-retirement.

The British citizen can get state support with or without being married to a foreign national, nothing changes. The foreign national is not entitled to public funds for 5 years if they come over on a spouse visa.

 

[dowie]

Who is richer? Person A: Earns £15,000 and owns his own home. Person B: Earns £20,000 and pays £10,000 a year in rent.

If you want to point out that there are edge cases then, yeah, there are edge cases.... though it is probably more efficient to have an arbitrary cut off than to go through the detailed outgoings/expenses of each individual applicant.

Unfortunately this does mean that the tiny number of people in their 20s/30s who've managed to inherit a fully paid off home for themselves but somehow, despite their 'privileged' background(for want of a better word) still have a poorly paid job will perhaps have to pull their thumbs out and get better paid work. Frankly if you're living rent/mortgage free and have no dependents then you've got no excuse for not being able to improve your situation through training/education etc...

 

[Tosno]

If you want to point out that there are edge cases then, yeah, there are edge cases.... though it is probably more efficient to have an arbitrary cut off than to go through the detailed outgoings/expenses of each individual applicant.

I wouldn't say it is an edge case at all, more like a double digit % of spouse sponsors. What's wrong having a detailed outgoings/expenses of each individual applicant? They are paid £1000 for it. I'm sure the 15,000+ sponsors that failed due to income would gladly pay £2000 for a better service.

Unfortunately this does mean that the tiny number of people in their 20s/30s who've managed to inherit a fully paid off home for themselves but somehow, despite their 'privileged' background(for want of a better word) still have a poorly paid job will perhaps have to pull their thumbs out and get better paid work. Frankly if you're living rent/mortgage free and have no dependents then you've got no excuse for not being able to improve your situation through training/education etc...

Why only 20s/30s? It can range from 18 to retirement age. How is it a 'privileged' background because their parents/grandparents bought a cheap council house from Maggie? Why should you "improve" your situation if you got your own home, you love your job, a good disposable income, maybe even £1000s a month from matchbetting that isn't counted towards the £18,600.

 

[Tosno]

Talking of matchbetting, who is richer? Person A that earns £18,000, pays £10,000 a year rent but makes £10,000 a year matchbetting. Or Person B that earns a not too shabby 25 grand a year, pays £10,000 rent a year but loses 100 quid a year gambling.

Once again only person B can bring his wife over. Yes we need detailed outgoings/expenses of each individual applicant for £2000 if they choose to apply this way. This would be much more fair (still unfair that EU citizens and their real or fake spouses can do it for free and without income)

 

[Holliday]

Going through something similar myself.

Another fantastic unwritten rule, if your non-eu partner applies for a Married Settlement Visa and is refused then it's almost impossible for them to then apply for a General Visa afterwards. So for whatever reason the Settlement Visa is refused your partner basically can't visit the UK at all until you have a Settlement one accepted.

Which leaves about 5 weeks holiday a year you're able to visit your partner, assuming you don't have to get 2 jobs in order to hit the £18.6k that is.

 

[dowie]

I wouldn't say it is an edge case at all, more like a double digit % of spouse sponsors.

I doubt a double digit portion of spouse sponsors are mortgage/rent free - unless figures are skewed by 50 year old divorcees bringing in mail order brides... but they're not likely to struggle to meet the salary requirements

Why only 20s/30s? It can range from 18 to retirement age.

it was an example - most people getting married in general will be in that range... unless the pool of visa applicants are skewed somehow then it isn't an unreasonable one

How is it a 'privileged' background because their parents/grandparents bought a cheap council house from Maggie?

most people don't have a 200k asset gifted to them, most people do have mortgage/rent to pay... not having mortgage/rent to pay does put you in a very nice position

Why should you "improve" your situation if you got your own home, you love your job, a good disposable income, maybe even £1000s a month from matchbetting that isn't counted towards the £18,600.

because you're in a low wage job and we've implemented a cut off that is probably fairly sensible overall

 

[Tosno]

I doubt a double digit portion of spouse sponsors are mortgage/rent free - unless figures are skewed by 50 year old divorcees bringing in mail order brides... but they're not likely to struggle to meet the salary requirements

Well we doubt each other and the figures are not at hand.

it was an example - most people getting married in general will be in that range... unless the pool of visa applicants are skewed somehow then it isn't an unreasonable one

Maybe skewed by 50 year old divorcees

most people don't have a 200k asset gifted to them, most people do have mortgage/rent to pay... not having mortgage/rent to pay does put you in a very nice position

Even if it is a wedge of 1, shouldn't he be able to pay a profitable sum to government for his right of family life?

because you're in a low wage job and we've implemented a cut off that is probably fairly sensible overall

sensible or not only British citizens have a cut off, the rest of the world can come for free with no income, now that isn't sensible, I bet we can both agree on that one.

 

[dowie]

The rest of the EU can seemingly bring their non-EU partners in not the rest of the world, and that isn't something we can easily change.

 

[House]

OP in the first post your talking about a tourist visa, one thing they take into account is likely hood to abscond. My wife was denied a tourist visa because she had no ties to her home country (job,education or family). It forced us to push forward our plans.

Good luck.