2.21:1?

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I've been poking around and the general idea among the TV industry is that home cinema will shortly be moving towards 2.21:1 ultra-widescreen in the near future.

The argument being that the home cinema crowd are mostly interested in getting their viewing as close to the cinema as possible, and that means utilising the full TV for the picture. To that end, I can see their point - if you watch most blu-ray films on a HDTV you actually end up watching it in significantly less than 1080 due to the familiar postboxing.

Some of the things I'm wondering, however:
Where will we put them? I find that a 16:9 tv fills up most wall spaces quite nicely. Where 4:3 would leave gaps either side, anything wider than 16:9 would mean sacrificing vertical screen space for the sake of aspect ratio - in which case the picture size is only the same as it would be on a 16:9 tv anyway.

In terms of aspect ratios, is 16:9 the sweet spot for most people? Other than the real enthusiasts who will, no doubt, be happy with a 2.21:1 tv in the home theatre room and a 16:9 for normal TV watching, who would actually want something that stretched? I daresay that 16:9 will scale okay to ultra-widescreen (testing it out in VLC player, it seems to be comparable to the jump from 4:3 to 16:9) but aren't the enthusiasts the people who will notice this most? And more importantly, a lot of older content (who doesn't love dad's army or friends?) and even some current content is filmed in 4:3, which would use perhaps 1/2 of the screen or stretch hideously.

Personally, I think I'd rather stick with 16:9 and chop off the extreme right and left edges of the picture, leaving a standard widescreen picture, or live the the pillarboxing, lowering the picture to approx 720 resolution, rather than have everything stretched and on a smaller viewing area.

Thoughts?
 
I like 16:9 and think all moves should be released in 16:9 format. I hate watching 2.21:1 and similar movies at home, it wastes so much space for no real benefit. I'd never buy a 2.21:1 TV!
 
I've been poking around and the general idea among the TV industry is that home cinema will shortly be moving towards 2.21:1 ultra-widescreen in the near future.

Thoughts?


No its not... philips have released one very expensive set which is likely to be a flop.
 
You can't just release movies in 16:9!

/facepalm

Of course you can! Why the hell anyone wants to watch a movie with half the screen not being used is beyond me. So there is more stuff visible, so what, it's smaller and blurred anyway because it's outside your foveal vision so what's the point :p
 
yea but would you then, as a film company, cut the 'extra' bits of the film so it fits 16:9 ? - losing some of the pic? pan and scan type situation?
 
If the directors wanted 16:9 it wouldnt be hard. Some films are made using a soft matte technique which means when converting from full cinematic widescreen, to good old fashioned 4:3 TV, the TV viewers actually got to see additional picture above and below the directors design.

Occasionally this could cause "bloopers" such as a boom mic showing in the TV version, which was correctly cropped out on the cinema prints. But soft matte "TV conversions" still worked better than pan and scan. In "A fish called Wanda" the open matte spoiled the scene where JC is supposed to appear naked, as you can see he is wearing shorts.

Considering 16:9 is a lot closer to 2.21:1, I would have thought that using a soft matte, and just letting the "DVD/BluRay" transfers retain the extra picture wouldnt be "so bad". Perhaps its even possible to make a blu ray that can allow 16:9 or letterboxed widescreen versions, afterall, they managed to fit a 3D version of journey to the center of the earth on the bluray of that movie. Im not sure if I would watch a soft matte full screen transfer, or stick with the directors original intended aspect ratio, but at least it would still contain everything the director intended, pan and scan is horrible, as is a simple crop. If people want crop, they can just use their TV's zoom function anyway.

Directors will keep making superwidescreen content, as it looks more impressive at the cinema, its easier to look left and right a bit, but you wouldnt really want to keep looking up and down during a movie.

16:9 is a good comprimise for a home system, go too wide, and when watching news type programs you either need a massive TV, or the presenters are too small, I find sidebars more annoying than letterbox.

Biggest problem with soft matte these days is CG. To put CG on a soft matte, the movie company would have to spend extra getting the CG /enhancements included on the full frame, not just the widescreen section. That extra cost will only make sence when its time to sell the movie on disk, and even then I suspect that many HT purists would still opt to see the letterbox version.

By the way, what is the whole issue of "using the whole screen" anyway. In the cinema, they often use black curtains/blinds to reduce the screen size to match the movie, most cinema's can show a "16:9" image on their screens, so your watching a letterboxed system anyway. If you want a bigger picture, just get a bigger screen.
 
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Considering we don't see in 16:9 but more closer to 2.21:1 it makes sense why movies in the cinema are made this wide but for a normal TV 16:9 is enough I think.

Sitting about 50CM away from a 24" 16:10 screen, it takes up about 50% of my field of view, so 2.21:1 would take up pretty much all of my horizontal view if I sat the right distance away from it.

Though I do like the look of those surround gaming screens, I'm gonna try a surround gaming set up soon with 3x24" monitors :p
 
Why have these discussions suddenly started? Films have been released on DVD in their native aspect ration for years?! I don't understand why people have suddenly noticed this.
 
Black bars are my main gripe with watchin films at home.....whats the point in seeing loads of horizontal picture and less vertical? Would it really be so hard to film at 16:9?
 
FFS not this again.

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Hmm, I got my first bluray for my PS3 the other day. The black bars seemed to be double the height of those in the picture above. Very disappointing, the actual screen size of the film was tiny. I still hate the black bars :(
 
Of course you can! Why the hell anyone wants to watch a movie with half the screen not being used is beyond me.

Hmm, I got my first bluray for my PS3 the other day. The black bars seemed to be double the height of those in the picture above. Very disappointing, the actual screen size of the film was tiny. I still hate the black bars :(

That's exactly why we need scope screens - letterboxing sucks.

16:9 is nice, but not as in your face immersive as 2.35:1. In an ideal world we'd have a 16:9 screen for tv/sports/games and a massive scope panel/projector screen for movies.

But if the crop was centered, it would look far more balanced and probably not be a problem to most people. Simply cropping off from one side only is a bit stupid.

It's still pretty damn rubbish.
 
Errrm why would 2.21:1 be chosen? Pretty much 0 films are in this format, surely 2.35/2.40 would be the one to go for? I guess the pillarboxing on 16:9 or 1.85:1 films would be less prominent, but why bother changing things at all if not for the most common AR's?
 
But if the crop was centered, it would look far more balanced and probably not be a problem to most people. Simply cropping off from one side only is a bit stupid.

Theres a scene in 'Return of the Jedi' when R2D2 and CP3O jump from the Barge into the sand.. when their picked up they are at the extreems of the 2.40:1 ratio screen.. I remember on a Pan/Scan VHS copy it panned (badly) between them because they would have been off the edges of the screen if it'd been cropped to the center!!...

It wouldn't have looked the same in 1.78:1 (16:9) either... :rolleyes:

2.35/40:1 is the best way to view movies!!... but thats just my opinion!!.. :p
 
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