2005 Italian Grand Prix

[Richard T]

Not really, it's so dull and lifeless. The columbian national anthem, that's class!

Oi....grrrrr

 

[//Mike]

Not really, it's so dull and lifeless. The columbian national anthem, that's class!

Thats rich coming from a Scot . Italian anthem is where it's at. Good not to hear it though!

 

[Richard T]

Thats rich coming from a Scot . Italian anthem is where it's at. Good not to hear it though!

Its ok to hear it for James Toseland or Valentino

 

[Richard T]

anyone reckon Ferdy will try to win the race next week to get the title in a blaze of glory?

 

[//Mike]

I don't think he will... so far it seems as though he's happy to get solid points and let the McLarens run the show.

 

[Richard T]

we need to see a full race between Ferdy and Kimi for the title....just once

 

[vanpeebles]

JV what a muppet

 

[Flibster]

I think this is right...

Current Standings

2005 Drivers Championship.

[b]Pos	Driver			Nationality	Team			Points [/b]
1	Fernando Alonso		Spanish		Renault			103 
2	Kimi Räikkönen		Finnish		McLaren-Mercedes	76 
3	Michael Schumacher	German		Ferrari			55 
4	Juan Pablo Montoya	Colombian	McLaren-Mercedes	50
5	Jarno Trulli		Italian		Toyota			43 
6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Italian		Renault			41 
7	Ralf Schumacher		German		Toyota			35 
8	Rubens Barrichello	Brazilian	Ferrari			31 
9	Nick Heidfeld		German		Williams-BMW		28 
=11	Mark Webber		Australian	Williams-BMW		24 
=11	Jenson Button		British		BAR-Honda		24 
12	David Coulthard		British		Red Bull Racing		21 
13	Felipe Massa		Brazilian	Sauber-Petronas		8 
=16	Tiago Monteiro		Portuguese	Jordan-Toyota		6 
=16	Alexander Wurz		Austrian	McLaren-Mercedes	6 
=16	Jacques Villeneuve	Canadian	Sauber-Petronas		6 
=18	Narain Karthikeyan	Indian		Jordan-Toyota		5 
=18	Christian Klien		Austrian	Red Bull Racing		5 
=20	Christijan Albers	Dutch		Minardi-Cosworth	4 
=20	Pedro de la Rosa	Spanish		McLaren-Mercedes	4 
21	Patrick Friesacher	Austrian	Minardi-Cosworth	3 
22	Antonio Pizzonia	Brazilian	Williams-BMW		2
=24	Takuma Sato		Japanese	BAR-Honda		1 
=24	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Italian		Red Bull Racing		1

2005 Constructors Championship.

[b]Pos	Constructor 		Points[/b]
1	 Renault		144
2	 McLaren-Mercedes	136
3	 Ferrari		86
4	 Toyota			78
5	 Williams-BMW		54
6	 Red Bull Racing	27
7	 BAR-Honda		25
8	 Sauber-Petronas	14
9	 Jordan-Toyota		11
10	 Minardi-Cosworth	7

 

[Richard T]

BAR need to get past RBR in the constructors

 

[//Mike]

McLaren need to get past Renault in the contructors .

 

[Richard T]

McLaren need to get past Renault in the contructors .

that an' all

 

[Flibster]

McLaren need to get past Renault in the contructors .

8 points in it....

144 vs 136...

 

[//Mike]

Do you think McLaren would rather get the Drivers championship or the constructors?? Obviously if they do get the drivers championship it's highly likely they will get the constructors alongside.

 

[vanpeebles]

i was thinking this before, how well respected is winning the constructors championship?

 

[Flibster]

Constructors - McLaren have always said the Drivers is purely secondary to them *obviously not secondary to the drivers...*

 

[Richard T]

teams always want the contructors championship as it shows them in the best light

 

[//Mike]

OK, thanks for that Flib

 

[vanpeebles]

ah ok, i just didnt really know how both are viewed

 

[Vertigo]

The driver's championship is a bit of a joke in F1 as it depends so hugely on the car.

During his "reign", Schumacher had by far the best car (most of the time), but at least he was indisputably the best driver out there.

I think most people now recognise that, good as Alonso is, Raikkonen is better. We will shortly have the situation where the world champion is not the best driver, just as we did with Jaques Villeneuve & Damon Hill.

 

[vanpeebles]

coultard looks a bit weird/crazy these days, its kinda cool