2006 Bahrain Grand Prix - Race 1/18

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[b]Driver		Session 1	Session 2	Session 3[/b]
Massa		1:33.579	1:32.014	1:34.908
Barrichello	1:33.922	1:32.322	1:35.224
M.Schumacher	1:33.310	1:32.025	1:35.236
Alonso		1:32.433	1:31.215	1:35.512
Fisichella	1:32.934	1:31.831	1:35.583
Webber		1:33.454	1:32.309	1:35.773
Button		1:32.603	1:32.025	1:36.566
Klien		1:34.308	1:32.106	1:37.594
Montoya		1:33.233	1:31.487	1:38.669
Heidfeld	1:33.374	1:31.958	1:39.169

Positions set after session 2

11	Villeneuve	1:33.882	1:32.456
12	Rosberg		1:32.945	1:32.620
13	Coulthard	1:33.678	1:32.850
14	Trulli		1:33.987	1:33.006
15	Liuzzi		1:34.439	1:33.416
16	Speed		1:33.995	1:34.606
17	R.Schumacher	1:34.702
18	Albers		1:35.724
19	MOnteiro	1:35.900
20	Ide		1:37.411
21	Sato		1:38.868
22	Raikkonen	NO TIME
 
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[b]Pos 	Driver		Session 1	Session 2	Session 3[/b]
1	M.Schumacher	1:33.310	1:32.025	1:31.431
2	Massa		1:33.579	1:32.014	1:31.478
3	Button		1:32.603	1:32.025	1:31.549
4	Alonso		1:32.433	1:31.215	1:31.702
5	Montoya		1:33.233	1:31.487	1:32.164
6	Barrichello	1:33.922	1:32.322	1:32.579
7	Webber		1:33.454	1:32.309	1:33.006
8	Klien		1:34.308	1:32.106	1:33.112
9	Fisichella	1:32.934	1:31.831	1:33.496
10	Heidfeld	1:33.374	1:31.958	1:33.926
11	Villeneuve	1:33.882	1:32.456
12	Rosberg		1:32.945	1:32.620
13	Coulthard	1:33.678	1:32.850
14	Trulli		1:33.987	1:33.006
15	Liuzzi		1:34.439	1:33.416
16	Speed		1:33.995	1:34.606
17	R.Schumacher	1:34.702
18	Albers		1:35.724
19	MOnteiro	1:35.900
20	Sato		1:37.411
21	Ide		1:40.20
22	Raikkonen	NO TIME
 
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BaZ87 said:
Not a big F1 fan, but watch it occasionally. I struggled to understand qualifying last year but this is even more boggling. Anybody explain whats going on?


Riiight...

Session 1:
All car on track
Low fuel
No tyre restrictions
Slowest 6 cars get knocked out and take positions 22-17
At the end of the 15 mins - any car still on a fast lap - loses that time. Only completed laps count towards session 2

Session 2:
Remaining 16 cars on track
Low fuel
No tyre restrictions
Slowerst 6 cars get knocked out and take positions 11-16
At the end of the 15 mins - any car still on a fast lap - loses that time. Only completed laps count towards session 3

Session 3:
Race fuel
No tyre restrictions
Fastest lap gets pole
Every lap within 10% of their fastest lap gets a FIA allocated amount of fuel that they can put back into the car.
When the 20 mins is up you can finish the lap you are on and have it count.
 
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rpstewart said:
Yeah, need to wait until it all pans out. I can't say I was ll that impressed with session 3. I need someone to justify the need for race fuel qualifying.

Oh, and I need quick reply back!


Errrr....makes the FIA think that they've achieved something by having the cars ar the back of the first 10 achieve slower lap times than those cars who qualified below them?
 
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So what if he's equalled senna's record...It's been 11 years that Schumacher has raced that Senna hasn't

Senna - 162 races - 65 poles = 40%
Schumacher - 232 races - 65 Poles = 28%

Sorry - not even in the same league of achievement
 
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Arc said:
Honda arent doing aswell as they would have hopped. Plenty of testing and lots of running today but they dont seem to have the outright speed thats needed. Renaults look heavier than the Ferraris though.

Think Kimi could be the dark horse tomorrow, plenty of sets of new tyres and any fuel load he wants at the start of the race.

I reckon that the Renaults and the McLaren and possibly the Honda's were running heavier.

Fisichalla may engine problems - they turned the revs and mix up and performance went down. :confused: Wrong way tbh. ;)
 
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Arc said:
Yeah, 7 World Championships to, aint in the same league........

Killed in his prime - only 11 seasons...
Schumacher still alive - and also now in his 17th season..

Raced with the best drivers - Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Patrese, Berger...
Raced with - Hakkinen, Hill, Villeneuve

Often had his biggest rival as his teammate in identicle cars.
No competition from teammates.

Although the both pale when compared to the absolute master...Juan Manuel Fangio
 
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JRS said:
Uh huh. Met the guy have you?

Ah well, I'm happy with the quali result. Ferraris are locking up the front row, Button is well placed and the only black cloud is that Mclaren have yet again pitched up with cars that appear to be far from fully reliable.

Yes thanks...

I requested to be moved to his team-mate or another team we were supplying at the time. Which was good - ended up working with McLaren and Arrows. :D

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Growing frustration at Toro Rosso legality

It is clear that there is growing frustration in the pitlane regarding the 'legality' of the Toro Rossos.

The Italian-based outfit is the only team using V10 engines this season, the result of a deal done when the (now) Austrian owned team was Minardi, owned by Australian Paul Stoddart.

With a limited budget which meant Stoddart was unable to purchase V8s for his team, the other teams agreed that special dispensation should be given to the Faenza outfit allowing it to use V10 powerplants, though these would be 'restricted' in terms of power in order that there was no advantage.

Then, Stoddart sold out to the wealthy Red Bull company, which, though it could have afforded V8s, opted to stick with the previously agreed (restricted) V10.

For some time there has been concern along the pitlane that the Toro Rosso would enjoy an advantage over its rivals, with various teams hinting at possible protests.

Speaking yesterday, McLaren boss, Ron Dennis, made it quite clear that he was unhappy. "All teams who had committed to running V8s very much appreciated that there was going to be an advantage from running V10s and going down an equivalency route," said the Englishman. "We undertook with each other, signed a document that undertook to each other that we would run V8s, in other words, permitting, in writing, to run V8s.

"The team that was given the concession to run V10s was Minardi, and it was given the concession for financial reasons, not for performance reasons, and there are several parameters of the engine that must be addressed when achieving an equivalency. Horsepower is one, and it is something that absolutely you can achieve, but a V10 engine will always give more torque and you cannot tweak the engine due to all the air restrictors and that sort of thing. It might or it might not form an equivalency, but it's important to remember that the reason for the engine issue in the first place was for cost reasons, not a formula by which people had a choice.

"That formula has been contracted out deliberately by people who wanted V8 engines," he added. "That is a clean, clear, analytical statement of fact."

Ferrari's Jean Todt was in agreement: "When it was decided to allow some private teams to have access to V10 with a restrictor we informed the FIA that we could object depending on the outcome of the championship with the car, so I am confident it is going to happen," said the Frenchman. "Of course we cannot avoid having agreements like this one, but I am confident that the FIA can do the right thing."

However, Gerhard Berger, who has recently taken a 50 percent stake in Toro Rosso, stuck to his guns: "I have to say, we took over a team from Minardi. We had a contract with the team and with the engine. Should we be penalised for using the engine or should the FIA try to put it into a fair position."

Meanwhile there is mounting concern over the legality of the Toro Rosso chassis, the STR1, which to all intents and purposes in the 2005 Red Bull chassis, itself based on the 2004 Jaguar, with a few bits added on.

Should the Toro Rossos qualify or finish higher than many deem realistic, expect the protests to begin, with Midland most likely to raise the legality of the chassis.
 
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2006 Bahrain Grand Prix Qualifying.
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[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1	5	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			1:33.310
2	6	Felipe Massa		Ferrari			1:33.579
3	12	Jenson Button		Honda			1:32.603
4	1	Fernando Alonso		Renault			1:32.433
5	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	1:33.233
6	11	Rubens Barrichello	Honda			1:33.922
7	9	Mark Webber		Williams-Cosworth	1:33.454
8	15	Christian Klien		RBR-Ferrari		1:34.308
9	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			1:32.934
10	16	Nick Heidfeld		Sauber-BMW		1:33.374
11	17	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-BMW		1:33.882
12	10	Nico Rosberg		Williams-Cosworth	1:32.945
13	14	David Coulthard		RBR-Ferrari		1:33.678
14	8	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			1:33.987
15	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	STR-Cosworth		1:34.439
16	21	Scott Speed		STR-Cosworth		1:33.995
17	7	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			1:34.702
18	19	Christijan Albers	MF1-Toyota		1:35.724
19	18	Tiago Monteiro		MF1-Toyota		1:35.900
20	22	Takuma Sato		Super Aguri-Honda	1:37.411
21	23	Yuji Ide		Super Aguri-Honda	1:40.270
22	3	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	No Time

Sector Times

Code:
[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	5	Michael Schumacher	29.517	
2	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	29.564	
3	6	Felipe Massa		29.603	
4	16	Nick Heidfeld		29.745	
5	12	Jenson Button		29.791	
6	1	Fernando Alonso		29.804	
7	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	29.807	
8	3	Kimi Räikkönen		29.843	
9	15	Christian Klien		29.878	
10	17	Jacques Villeneuve	29.934	
11	10	Nico Rosberg		29.945	
12	11	Rubens Barrichello	30.025	
13	14	David Coulthard		30.054	
14	9	Mark Webber		30.063	
15	8	Jarno Trulli		30.149	
16	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	30.185	
17	21	Scott Speed		30.307	
18	7	Ralf Schumacher		30.506	
19	19	Christijan Albers	30.517	
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		31.027	
21	22	Takuma Sato		31.845	
22	23	Yuji Ide		32.383

Code:
[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	1	Fernando Alonso		38.777	
2	6	Felipe Massa		38.962	
3	5	Michael Schumacher	39.001	
4	12	Jenson Button		39.053	
5	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	39.241	
6	11	Rubens Barrichello	39.250	
7	16	Nick Heidfeld		39.281	
8	15	Christian Klien		39.329	
9	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	39.375	
10	9	Mark Webber		39.387	
11	17	Jacques Villeneuve	39.446	
12	10	Nico Rosberg		39.566	
13	14	David Coulthard		39.579	
14	8	Jarno Trulli		39.589	
15	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	39.987	
16	21	Scott Speed		40.090	
17	7	Ralf Schumacher		40.194	
18	18	Tiago Monteiro		40.893	
19	19	Christijan Albers	41.059	
20	22	Takuma Sato		42.542	
21	23	Yuji Ide		43.065	
22	3	Kimi Räikkönen		44.145

Code:
[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	22.548	
2	12	Jenson Button		22.578	
3	1	Fernando Alonso		22.595	
4	16	Nick Heidfeld		22.638	
5	11	Rubens Barrichello	22.763	
6	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	22.783	
7	5	Michael Schumacher	22.844	
8	9	Mark Webber		22.859	
9	6	Felipe Massa		22.862	
10	15	Christian Klien		22.899	
11	10	Nico Rosberg		22.925	
12	17	Jacques Villeneuve	22.983	
13	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	23.050	
14	14	David Coulthard		23.107	
15	8	Jarno Trulli		23.230	
16	21	Scott Speed		23.584	
17	18	Tiago Monteiro		23.643	
18	7	Ralf Schumacher		23.659	
19	19	Christijan Albers	23.786	
20	3	Kimi Räikkönen		24.072	
21	22	Takuma Sato		24.481	
22	23	Yuji Ide		24.822

Speed Trap

Code:
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1	1	Fernando Alonso		14:21:03	305.0	
2	5	Michael Schumacher	15:00:56	304.8	
3	17	Jacques Villeneuve	14:21:03	303.7	
4	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	14:20:57	303.4	
5	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	14:21:01	302.9	
6	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	14:22:45	300.3	
7	12	Jenson Button		14:41:36	300.1	
8	6	Felipe Massa		15:07:06	299.5	
9	16	Nick Heidfeld		14:21:34	299.5	
10	9	Mark Webber		14:21:21	298.9	
11	3	Kimi Räikkönen		14:09:25	298.4	
12	10	Nico Rosberg		14:21:12	298.4	
13	21	Scott Speed		14:21:04	298.0	
14	7	Ralf Schumacher		14:21:13	297.9	
15	11	Rubens Barrichello	14:21:11	297.8	
16	15	Christian Klien		15:02:33	297.0	
17	14	David Coulthard		14:21:08	295.4	
18	19	Christijan Albers	14:21:18	294.8	
19	18	Tiago Monteiro		14:03:20	293.8	
20	8	Jarno Trulli		14:20:57	293.0	
21	23	Yuji Ide		14:02:02	284.2	
22	22	Takuma Sato		14:03:13	283.5
 
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Looking at it - they're just session 1 times - not the final resultant times from session 1, 2 and 3...

Looks like the FOA need to work on it a bit...
 
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Slam62 said:
Hi Guys great thread
Anyway the real point, I've just read something about people whinging about the ferrari rear wing anyone know whats going on.

Rivals unhappy with Ferrari's rear wing

Questions have been raised about the design of the rear wing of Ferrari's 248 F1, even though it has been declared legal by the sport's governing body.

The first race of the season has led to the inevitable extra scrutiny from teams about the legality of designs elsewhere in the pitlane, and some of this focus has again shifted to the area of flexing wings.

Part of this attention on rear wings has been aimed at Ferrari, with rival teams claiming that the Italians' rear wing flexes and therefore breaks the regulations, which outlaw 'moveable aerodynamic devices'.

To check the legality of the wings, the FIA uses specific tests on the car while it is stationary. Loads are applied to the wing elements at specific areas and the wing cannot deflect above a certain amount. This is 5mm for the uppermost element of the rear wing and 2mm for the front-element.

The major bone of contention relates to the belief that the rear wings of some teams have been designed to only just pass the FIA tests and could flex elsewhere in areas that are not tested.

This would in theory make the rear wings fully compliant with the regulations as they are written, even if they are against them in spirit.

FIA technical delegates Charlie Whiting and Jo Bauer were seen inspecting the rear wing of the 248 F1 in the Ferrari garage on Saturday morning, and they subsequently gave the team the thumbs-up.

Despite the FIA insisting that there is no problem with the Ferrari rear wing, Renault's director of engineering Pat Symonds has made it clear that he is still far from happy with the situation.

When asked about his feelings on the Ferrari wing following the FIA's latest inspection, Symonds said: "I am not at all happy about it.

"It is very clear what you can or cannot do. There might be specific rules about specific parts, but there are also general rules and I know exactly what that wing does. And that is not what I would expect."

Should the issue escalate, then the FIA could still step in. F1's regulations allow the governing body to introduce further load/deflection tests on any part of the bodywork that is suspected of moving while the car is in motion.

Since the 70's athere has been a ban on moveabble aerodymanic devices.

However - in the mid 90's certain teams experiemented with flexible rear wings - allows them to go faster down the straight while keeping speeds up around corners.

They started testing them by putting a static load on the back of the wing and measuring the amount it bends *5mm max at topmost point*

That only measured 1 place really - It's appearing that Ferrari have a fing that flexes in points that isn't measured so is currently against the spirit of the rules.

However - being Ferrari it'l be ruled legal. They never do anything wrong.... :rolleyes:

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Bennah said:
hehe, everyone going against the Ferrari's already. If its legal then the other teams have to just leave it and lump it as they say.

Anyone got any pics of thier rear wing? How much different is it to a normal one like on the McLaren?

At the moment the normal rear wing cant stay on Kimi's car :p

Lets hope it doesnt happen tomorrow.

Just like BAR's Torque transfer box and McLarens extra brake pedal and William's CVT box...

Who complained about them and got them banned after they were deemed legal by the FIA Technical Stewards?

Aaaah yes...that team in Red. ;)

Just let them get treated the same as they way they treat others tbh...

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