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2011 or 1155

squarehead94 said:
Just because its enthusiast doesnt mean its not bang for buck, You can spend £1200 on a 3770k setup, and you can spend £1200 on a 3930k setup, id go 3930k every time.
X79 boards have come down in price, they are now quite affordable.
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Well yes they are affordable. But take into account that if someone wants to watercool the cost isn't going to be flat out the same for both 2011 and 1155... Also 6 cores yup all nice and dandy... shame the average user doesnt even utilise 4 cores that are hyperthreaded yet.. so 12 threads? Debunct... the extra ram slots? Stick 16GB 4x4GB leaves 4 ram slots open... average user doesnt use more than 8GB of RAM currently.. 16GB is technically considered a waste... You're bang for buck just got wasted on power that won't be needed/used by an average user for oh... 3-4 years? By that time they would have already moved onto a newer platform already.
 
Ollie1132 said:
Well yes they are affordable. But take into account that if someone wants to watercool the cost isn't going to be flat out the same for both 2011 and 1155... Also 6 cores yup all nice and dandy... shame the average user doesnt even utilise 4 cores that are hyperthreaded yet.. so 12 threads? Debunct... the extra ram slots? Stick 16GB 4x4GB leaves 4 ram slots open... average user doesnt use more than 8GB of RAM currently.. 16GB is technically considered a waste... You're bang for buck just got wasted on power that won't be needed/used by an average user for oh... 3-4 years? By that time they would have already moved onto a newer platform already.
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This exactly!

There is also the risk of buying expensive to then find out something amazing comes out that is not compatible with your 4 year old tech. True bang for buck is something that ticks all box's while not losing you much money when it comes time to upgrade. Take AMD Piledriver for example. Yes the 8350 is 20% slower on average on most high end games running high end GPU's, but its half the price on the 3930K. What if new GPU's come out that only support a new expansion slot/technology? About time for an upgrade? well if you spent half as much you can upgrade twice as often to current tech. I am sure being a little behind on performance is only a small con if you are budget limited.

Like me, I spent £1000 on a PC, after say 2 years, I shall spend another £1000 to make it up to date. One of my friends spent £2000 on his PC. On average his is 20% faster than mine (3930k + 2GB 680). In 2 years I will upgrade (1.25 years now) as I will only have to spend the same again that puts me £1000 per upgrade cycle out of pocket to be 20% slower. Where as he will be £2000 out of pocket per upgrade cycle to be 20% faster. Over 2 years, is that extra £1000 really worth 20%?
 
Doomedspeed said:
If you don't use 6 cores for what you do its money wasted. Very few programs use 6 cores. Heavy video editing and are amount the exceptions.
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I seem to remember people said the same thing to the "fools" buying Q6600's over higher clocked C2D's like the E6850. The C2D owners had to upgrade ages ago but you will see many happy Q6600 users waiting on Haswell.
 
If the sheer amount of cores can keep a processor in one's computer for x amount of years longer than they would usually need to upgrade using a 4 core within gaming and general applications then this is somthing I would personally consider in a specification for "bang for back". However, the flip side to this argument is to also consider power savings on any specification, too. Newer tech might play a part in terms of power savings, but sheer raw power also has the positive of longevity - but how much is the question.
 
I went with 3770k last year but in hindsight I should have just gone with the 2011 and 3930 or 60. Nothing wrong with the 3770k mind, it's made no difference really but have no use for the onboard graphics and would just prefer the overall better platform.

Regarding motherboard upgrades. A chip these days is easily good for at bare minimum 2 years, 4 years still very easily. By the time you upgrade the chip you might as well get a new mobo as some improvements will have been made in that time, even if the socket is still the same, and better optimised to the latest generation of CPU.
 
Will Ivy-E use 1155 then?. In which case if Haswell is going to be very underwhelming (which it looks like from early reports) It would be best to get a 1155 i7-3770K now and then upgrade to Ivy-E later than hold out for Haswell?
 
ubersonic said:
I seem to remember people said the same thing to the "fools" buying Q6600's over higher clocked C2D's like the E6850. The C2D owners had to upgrade ages ago but you will see many happy Q6600 users waiting on Haswell.
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That's a really good point, you could go X79 and 3930K and if your the type who likes to set it and forget it, you could leave as is and be set for years. In that respect offers more value. If you ever wanted could add a Ivybridge -E chip later on. Probably outlast the next 2 mainstream chipsets / CPU's..
 
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Do you think we'll see a few 3930ks appearing on the members market when 4930k is released?
Also do 2011 motherboards support true usb3/sata3? My i920 gigabyte motherboard claimed both but does neither properly.
 
- Do you need 6 cores running at a high clock, still having high single core performance ? Socket 2011 & you're probably a CG artist. You'll have to buy a 3930k though.

-Do you need crazy memory bandwidth on Quad channel with 64GB memory?
Socket 2011 - I know less about this but maybe Simulation, Science, Virtual machines or something like that. You'll be fine with a 3820.

- Do you have a silly amount of GFX cards & want a silly amount of PCI-E lanes to go with ? Socket 2011 & you're tri + SLI/ X-Firing. Which personally I think is fundamentally silly but each to their own. 3820 will do if that's all you want it for.

If you want anything else, or you have a limited budget then 1155.

To summarise, 2011 is for :

- More than 4 cores, still OC'ed off their nuts. (or buy xeon 8 cores & end up slower at great expense)

- High memory bandwidth

- High PCI-E bandwidth

If you don't need these things then you're pouring money down the drain by going 2011.
 
Personally I think buying 'into a socket' for future proofing is a total false economy.

1155 or 2011, any CPU you chuck in there will outlast the socket. By the time you GENUINELY need to replace the CPU, chances are a new socket will be out for the CPU you want that represents a decent upgrade.

If it's not the socket it will be additional features, technology or otherwise. You might be able to dump a superior CPu into the same old socket. but what if a newer motherboard gives you the next generation of SATA, USB or other desirable features?

Sure, you might not care about them but surely the prospect of selling of second hand kit at a loss and reinvesting that money into the cutting edge gear is more attractive than prolonging the life of an old motherboard?

Buy now, for now.
 
Sin_Chase said:
Personally I think buying 'into a socket' for future proofing is a total false economy.

1155 or 2011, any CPU you chuck in there will outlast the socket. By the time you GENUINELY need to replace the CPU, chances are a new socket will be out for the CPU you want that represents a decent upgrade.

If it's not the socket it will be additional features, technology or otherwise. You might be able to dump a superior CPu into the same old socket. but what if a newer motherboard gives you the next generation of SATA, USB or other desirable features?

Sure, you might not care about them but surely the prospect of selling of second hand kit at a loss and reinvesting that money into the cutting edge gear is more attractive than prolonging the life of an old motherboard?

Buy now, for now.
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I agree with what you are saying, I am planning on skipping socket 1150 and going for a Skylake chip myself, but I still think that it is a good idea to buy into a new socket rather than an old one just to accommodate other eventualities. Such as coming into some money and deciding that you will drop a top-of-the line i7 4870K (I believe it will be called) in the socket.

Looking at it another way, if you buy a socket 1155 chip now, you may find out when it is too late that socket 1150 chips are far better overclockers or they have a feature that you would have quite liked, or there is a performance boost in an area which affects you. And you would think yourself an idiot for not waiting. Of course none of those things may happen, but we don't know at this point, and it is such a little time to wait now, I dont see the point of chancing it.
 
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