2013 BMW F11 530D M Sport Touring

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Looking at getting an F11 myself.

Can anyone tell me when the Sat Nav/Radio got updated from CIC to NBT/DAB? I know it was pre LCI but wasn't sure exactly what month/year?
 
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Looking at getting an F11 myself.

Can anyone tell me when the Sat Nav/Radio got updated from CIC to NBT/DAB? I know it was pre LCI but wasn't sure exactly what month/year?

It was Model Year 2013, so I believe late 2012 onwards.

DAB was standard from early 2012 onwards, so some CIC cars have standard fit DAB (and many have optional fit DAB).

NBT is essentially next-gen CIC, the functionality is similar, the menu layouts are similar but it's a bit more modern looking and responds a bit faster. If they are similarly priced pick an NBT car over a CIC car but don't go paying loads more money just to get it, it isn't the leap forward that CIC was from CCC for example.
 
Thanks.

My E91 has CIC, so I know it's not a bad system as such, but my maps are really out of date.

The maps being out of date isn't because you have CIC, its because you've not updated your maps. The latest maps are available for both systems.

Did CIC ever support 7 digit post codes?

Yes, cars built in September 2010 onwards and cars built before September 2010 but with both a newer map version and a firmware update.
 
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The maps being out of date isn't because you have CIC, its because you've not updated your maps. The latest maps are available for both systems.

Yeah I looked in to this when I first got the car in 2012, but it seems you had to go to BMW to get them to update them and they wanted a fortune?

My Car is LCI E91.
 
You can download the map updates. But you need the FSC code to activate them on your car. They can be had for around €50 if you look around.
 
One more question - exactly what month was LCI introduced in 2013?

September 2013.

This IMHO makes a 13 plate F11 the most desirable - you get spec enhancements like standard fit DAB, latest NBT iDrive, etc, but you don't suffer from what appears to be the most half hearted LCI in BMW history (They didn't even bother to remove the side repeater from the wing properly, they just pointlessly blanked it out with chrome!) :D
 
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I looked at a 520d LCI in the showroom earlier, seems to tick all the boxes in terms of size

Looking at a 62 plate 2013 F11 530d tomorrow. It says Pro Sat Nav so I hope it's the revised NBT version with the touch input.

Anything in particular to look out for?
 
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CIC-High (Which is what NBT is officially called) is fitted to F10/11's produced after September 2012.

As a result, some 62 plates have it and some don't.

All 2012 cars should have DAB though.
 
OK, so I've looked at the car, 62 plate 530D Touring with 45,000 miles


Xenons + Adaptive lights
Pro Nav
Reversing Camera
Extended Storage

Took a photo of the VIN and checked the details

Production/Build date was 24th Jan 2013

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No. Description
1CA SELECTION COP RELEVANT VEHICLES

1CB CO2 CONTENT

2NB M LM L.A. WHEELS DOUB.SP. 351 M,19"

2PA LOCKING WHEEL BOLTS

2TB SPORT AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION

230 EU SPECIFIC ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT

258 RUNFLAT TYRES

3AG BACKUP CAMERA

3AT ROOF RAILS ALUMINIUM SATINATED

302 ALARM SYSTEM

316 AUTOMATIC TAILGATE OPERATION

337 M SPORT PACKAGE

4CE FINE-WOOD TRIM FINELINE ANTHRACITE

4UR AMBIENT LIGHT

418 LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT PACKAGE

423 FLOOR MATS, VELOUR

428 WARNING TRIANGLE

430 INT/EXT RR VW MIRROR W AUT ANTI-DAZZLE

431 INTERIOR RR VW MIRROR W AUT ANTI-D

441 SMOKERS PACKAGE

459 SEAT ADJUSTM., ELECTR. W. MEMORY

481 SPORT SEATS F DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

494 SEAT HEATING F DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

5AC AUTOM. HIGH-BEAM HEADLIGHTS CONTROL

502 HEADLIGHT WASHER SYSTEM

508 PARK DISTANCE CONTROL (PDC)

522 XENON LIGHT

524 ADAPTIVE HEADLIGHTS

534 AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONING

6AA BMW TELESERVICES

6AB CONTROL TELESERVICES

6NL CONNECT. BLUETOOTH A.USB DEVICES IN

609 NAVIGATION SYSTEM PROFESSIONAL

612 BMW ASSIST

615 EXTENDED BMW ONLINE INFORMATION

616 BMW ONLINE

654 DAB TUNER

698 AREA-CODE 2

704 M SPORT SUSPENSION

710 M LEATHER STEERING WHEEL

715 M AERODYNAMICS PACKAGE

760 INDIVIDUAL HIGH-GLOSS SATIN CHROME

761 INDIVIDUAL SUN PROTECTION GLAZING

775 INDIVIDUAL ROOF-LINING ANTHRACITE

8KA OELSERVICE INT. 30.000 KM/24 MONTHS

8SC COUNTRY SPEC. RELEASE OF TELESERVICE

8SM VIN, VISIBLE FROM OUTSIDE

8S2 CODING OF ALARM SIGNAL

8S3 AUTOMATIC LOCK WHEN DRIVING AWAY

8TF ACTIVE PROTECTION FOR PEDESTRIANS

8TG ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM

8TN DAYTIME DRIVING LIGHTS SELECTABLE B

8V1 NCAP LABEL

812 ENGLAND VERSION

850 ADD FUEL TANK FILLING FOR EXPORT

877 DELETION CROSS-OVER OPERATION

880 ENGLISH / ON-BOARD DOCUMENTATION

It doesn't have the iDrive touch, but it did seem slicker than my E91 LCI Nav (CIC) so i'm confused as to what version it is really.

It says Media: MN-001.022.002


Concerns: It was 3,300 miles overdue for an oil service. It had weird green mould looking stuff on the outside window seals, but that might just be because it hadn't been valeted yet. offside rear tyre was nearly bald.

As it's a BMW main dealer they would fully service it and change any tires that needed changing, plus give me the 12 month warranty and roadside assistance.

They wanted £23480 + £180 Road Tax for it, and offered me £11,500 for my car straight off, which was better than I expected. It's a 58 plate 330D Touring with 118k on the clock. Parkers guide suggested 10k trade in!

Got them to drop it by £690 all in, by dropping their price to £23,090 and increasing their trade in offer to £11,800 for my car - So basically it would cost me £11,500.

Not sure whether to go for it (as it seems a good deal to me) or wait for something 'perfect'

Any thoughts on the price? It's about £5,000 cheaper than most BMW models of the same model/engine/spec.
 
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Fox will likely know for sure, but I don't think the touch was strictly an NBT thing? I thought it was part of the LCI update rather than the NBT Nav system (there are certainly 2013 vehicles out there with pro nav and non-touch, but they could have been built before the changeover and registered many months later).

Only you can tell if it's right for you though. And if you are in enough of a hurry to change, that you can miss a few features. I much prefer the steering wheel on the LCI, and the MFD makes all the difference, to me anyway. The touch function I do barely use, but I have used it.
 
I've not even seen any used 530D's (in my price range) advertised with Multi Function Display - But it does look cool on Youtube.

I just double checked what I bought my car for - £12,650

Which means in 42 months of ownership (and 50,000 miles), it's only cost me £20 a month! Almost made money on it!

Anyway, not too fussed about touch input, since it doesn't work so well for RHD cars when the majority of the population are right handed. I do want to make sure it's the NBT version though.
 
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Confirmed it is the NBT, I took a photo and the selection highlighter is red, rather than a box outline.

What do you think I can get out of the dealer to seal the deal? Full service and road legal tyres are a given since it's a BMW dealer.

I should get them to update the sat nav firmware + maps to the latest version, right? Is it in there remit to give away 2 year warranty's?

They want to charge me £30 for Fuel!?
 
They can give you a 2 year warranty - insist on this if you want to keep the car, frankly even if they point blank refuse offer to buy it at the rate they pay for it - its slightly better than the insured product you can renew and it's also much cheaper than you'd pay to renew it.

TBH I'm never really bothered about junk chucked in to 'seal the deal', I'd rather have cash discount and warranty. Fuel? Who cares really, it's just discount at the end of the day, they have to buy it as much as you do.

Work out what you want to pay for the car and see what you can do. They often have these cars for a long time - gambling might pay off if they reject your offer.

When I called about my 530d the dealer implied that it was keenly priced and there wasn't much they could do bar chuck in the extra years warranty.

A few weeks later I got the discount I wanted and we had a deal :p

If they sense you'll buy it anyway they would be mad to offer discounts.

How much is the car? How much are other cars? Remember that typically things like which version of iDrive it has can be lost on the dealers, I bought the only 335i in the country with CIC at the time for less than many other examples with the rubbish CCC fitted - the dealer never at any point mentioned it was fitted and never once tried to sell it's benefits. I doubt they even realised.
 
To be honest, the dealer wasn't that professional, the car had 4 miles worth of fuel in it and hadn't even been valeted, even though they opened at 8 and I didn't get there til 11.

Hello Stephen James Enfield...luckily not my local dealer.

I think the car literally just came in/was traded in to them.

They made me wait a bit, and then tried to sell me the usual crap such as gap insurance, tyre cover, 'BMW seal and protect' etc - Obviously that's their job and they get commission, so fair enough.

They wanted me to do a deal on the spot after I got them down a bit on price, but I went away and said I would think about it.

It's actually cheaper than I was expecting to spend. I had 25k in mind, so this is 2k cheaper - That's mainly because they've given me a good trade in offer and for a dealer used car, is high mileage

Should I expect 4 new tyres for instance? Only the rear was bald. The others seemed alright. He said he would replace the ones that needed doing...Having 4 new tyres is worth £1000ish.
 
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It's madness isn't it. I went to look an F10 530i about 6 months ago and before I'd even seen the car the guy was on about Seal and Protect. Really? Why not try and sell me the car first and then work on the addons..
 
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