2020/21 Sack Race
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Caporegime
I think Lampard's a bit good for us.
Soldato
I would love it (love it /keegan) if my half baked rumour / aspiration of getting rid of Bruce made it into a National Rag as a rumour just from some of us having a laugh and saying its a good fit 
Ironically Newcastle is a bit like Dr Who for me these days - until the TV programme is under new management, it doesnt matter how much I do / don't like the new actor playing the Dr, its still fundamentally screwed
Can't remember the last time I watched NUFC, and given its Leeds tomorrow I'm glad my local is closed due to Coronavirus for the drubbing I'd get if they do the double over us (I live in Leeds)
Ironically Newcastle is a bit like Dr Who for me these days - until the TV programme is under new management, it doesnt matter how much I do / don't like the new actor playing the Dr, its still fundamentally screwed
Can't remember the last time I watched NUFC, and given its Leeds tomorrow I'm glad my local is closed due to Coronavirus for the drubbing I'd get if they do the double over us (I live in Leeds)
Associate
Here's hoping!
Although, I can't past anything other than a Newcastle win. We have a dreadful record against teams on a bad run of form.
Soldato
He spent a boat load of money and still can't get a tune out of Werner. Add to the mix that Abramovich wants results, the writing was always on the wall for Lampard the same as all the other previous Chelsea managers. Also in reality he was out of his depth. He should have properly leanred his trade before going for the big pay cheque, this has probably done more to harm is future managerial career than help it. Would imgaine he will be relegated to some poor punditry role on Sky or BT sports now and if he is lucky he might get the managers role at Stevenage Boro when they eventually get around to sacking their manager.
Caporegime
Look at what happened to Di Matteo and he arguably had more experience.
Here's hoping!
Although, I can't past anything other than a Newcastle win. We have a dreadful record against teams on a bad run of form.
Oh how wrong you were child. Newcastle at the moment are the team everyone needs to play to turn their own **** streaks around
Bruce needs to go.
Lampard himself also knew what chelsea were like with managers, Chelsea never gives time for projects its just not there thing
I also feel that job came too soon for him but from his point of view or any ones if your dream club that you played for gives you a chance to manage them I doubt any one would say no.
Caporegime
I think he will have hoped that the fact they were giving him the job would mean that they were changing their ways. He record as a manager didn't get him the job it was his links to the club. He should have known better but there was probably a glimmer of hope.
Maybe but soon as all that money was spent chelsea were always going to revert to there usual pattern.
Don't agree with it personally but even with all the managers they sack they have a successful history regarding trophies so works for them
Caporegime
I think there are too many clubs with unrealistic expectations. United, City, Liverpool and Chelsea will all think that when they spend a few hundred million they should be winning the league very soon.
The other problem is when your manager isn't elite level and no matter what the squad they are unlikely to win the league. This isn't the french league where you don't have any competition.
No idea how Tuchel will do as I have no idea how good a manager he is. Their squad isn't title winning quality though.
I don't think we will ever spend few hundred million (liverpool)
Even the big players that joined e.g. dijk, Alison were paid for by countinho funds
I did expect us to improve and challenge when we did that but that was more so due to gradual process klopp made.
Regarding chelsea they should have expected lampard to have periods of bad spells due to how inexperienced he was/is in management
FSG aren’t afraid to spend when the right player who has been identified to fit a need comes along, but they have shown they’ll always wait for the right player to become available that fits their system.
Ditto. It'll be interesting to see.
Yet. I'm not a Chelsea fan, quite the opposite, but if they keep that squad together it does feel like they might have something special in a few years when they've all matured into their roles and hit their prime in their mid-late 20s. Equally they might never bloom so it's not definite. Either way they need decent management and coaching to get there and do you get that training if the manager is forever being booted out every couple of years?
Soldato
yes it's doubtful you would say no, however that's the emotive response. He should have thought was his long term career plans were. If he was serious about wanting to become a great manager, then he made the wrong call going to Chelsea. It stinks of short termism in that he was looking at the £ signs and not thinking about his career long term. That's fine if he want's to end up on a set with Lineker, Souness, Carragher etc talking about games rather than in the technical area pitchside directing them.
He is going to have to accept that he needs to start lower down as no other PL side will touch him for years if they know what's good for them. It's clear he was not even a decent manager as he failed to get anything out of Werner after having spent so much getting him to the club in the first place.
I think its a bit harsh to blame Werner's inability to score on Lampard. He got in plenty of positions to score in the games i saw and he fluffed all of them. Too many names came in at once and he struggled to integrate them, won't be the first manager to suffer from that.
Caporegime
Personally I find it utterly bizzarre that clubs think ex-players will make good managers. Especially ones that have very little experience outside of the game. There is so much to being a manager and there are so very few proven top class ones that the chances of someone just walking into it after a playing career and doing an amazing job are miniscule.
Off the top of my head there are:
Simeone
Guardiola
Maybe Zidane but considering the team he had and the money he had to spend its hard to judge him.
You need to be be tactically astute, able to adapt to opposition tactics and understand the interplay between your own tactics and theirs. You need to pick a team that has balance and synergy whilst operating within budgets and injuries. You need to be able to coach you team and build the right coaching staff around you to develop the players and team. You need to manage egos, motivate players and keep everyone happy. Thats probably only a tiny portion of what being a top class manager requires.
Its a really hard job.
Off the top of my head there are:
Simeone
Guardiola
Maybe Zidane but considering the team he had and the money he had to spend its hard to judge him.
You need to be be tactically astute, able to adapt to opposition tactics and understand the interplay between your own tactics and theirs. You need to pick a team that has balance and synergy whilst operating within budgets and injuries. You need to be able to coach you team and build the right coaching staff around you to develop the players and team. You need to manage egos, motivate players and keep everyone happy. Thats probably only a tiny portion of what being a top class manager requires.
Its a really hard job.
Caporegime
Brian Clough was a decent player too cut short by injury. You also forgot Carlo Ancelotti who basically won everything as a player and again as a manager, Johan Cruyff, Frank Rijkaard etc.
Caporegime
There are loads of managers who made some sort of career out of football but now we are seeing players retiring and going into big jobs after very little experience and quite often not very encouraging performances. Being a top player doesn't mean you will be a good manager and most aren't.
A good 1st check is can they give a post-match interview with any eloquence and charisma? If the answer is no (and there a lot like that) then they're hardly going to be able to enthuse and inspire players to perform for them are they? Equally there are some managers who can't give a decent interview too