21 Year old Steroid user: Nice Acne..
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Caporegime
In teams it certainly would. Can't have mis-matching strokes.
And in singles, if you don't have a long(er) stroke, you just won't be fast.
I watched Bigger, Stronger, Faster the other night. Good watch and I recommend it to anyone interested in the whole steroid debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigger,_Stronger,_Faster*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigger,_Stronger,_Faster*
, I for one am not a fan of steroids but each to there own just be 100% sure you know what your doing is all i have to say.
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That pretty much sums up almost any subject covered by the press. They seem incapable of getting most stories right, and most stories told have an agenda so tend to show a single side to any story.
I'm thinking more and more that athletics needs to simply come up with a level for testosterone in the system thats acceptable, because everyone has different levels and someone with abnormally high, but natural levels has an advantage over those with abnormally low levels, to even it out the low guy(gal maybe) should be able to take something, but only at a relatively normal level.
I'm not convinced steroids are any more harmful than any other drug around, and being legal and paid for properly in a qualified store that can keep quality and non fake versions in stock and have decent advice on hand and keep dosing to a sane level will avoid many of the real problems behind steroids and the people who do misuse them.
Man of Honour
These sort of articles annoy me. They give steroids a bad name... admittedly that guy was a tool to abuse them. But it's no different to abusing any other substance like alcohol or drugs or anything really. He obviously didn't know what he was doing and suffered to consequences. You can use steroids perfectly safely if you know what you're doing and do your research and prepare yourself. It's not a magic drug that'll make you go huge anyway, you need to put a lot of hard work and dedication into it to achieve significant results. I'd never use them as I don't feel the need or want to and I've managed to develop a reasonably good size, strength and shape without them - but I don't turn my noses up at them, because I know that it's not a cheat drug at all.
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This made me smile. Sad truth is, you're probably right. Steroid users are like any drug abuser, they need be around each other for reasurance that what they are doing is normal and fine, whether on forums or in real life.
Personally i would never use steroids. Whether people want to admit or not, there are nasty physical side effects. Much of the damage steroid abuse can cause is irreversible too, its well documented.
MTA made a post recently pointing out the mental damage steroid abuse can cause, this is another thing which should not be overlooked.
Are steroids really worth the temporary muscle gains?
Think about this, one day when you're older and you suffer any kind of health problems, will you look back and wonder if it was the steroid abuse that has finally caught up with you? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't...you will never know. I wouldn't want that kind of sickening doubt in my mind.
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Actually they haven't and the majority of "damage" is reversible. Do your research before you make such sweeping statements.
Not to sound patronising but there is a difference between steroid use and steroid abuse. Steroid users are not like any drug abusers. Alcohol abuse for example is a lot more dangerous than steroid abuse. 99% of over the counter drugs if abused will effect far worse damage than steroids.
Remember steroids are just synthesised hormones (i.e u have a fair amount of steroids already in you) and have been used as approved drugs for ages.
Finally nothing is well documented as there has NEVER been a study into the long term effects of steroid use.
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As far as i know, gynecomastia and hair loss are not reversible.
Of course steroids have medical uses but when people take them purely for building muscle, using up to 100 times normal therapeutic doses, thats abuse.
Where did i say that there has been study into long term effects? Obviously that would be unethical. So you could say steroid users are playing a game of Russian roulette.
Short term physical health problems are well documented, as are the negative psychiatric effects, maybe you should do your research too
Sadly not. You will not be considered for international lightweight rowing if you are under 6'2", or for international rowing if you are 6'4".
[BLANKETSTATEMENT] Seems like a typical pea-brained, steroid-taking moron. "Duhyh what's this nasty ulcerating stuff all over my body, I fink i'll just ignore it and carry on regardless. Then go and beat my bird up with roid rage. [/BLANKETSTATEMENT]
Steroids have all sorts of nasty effects internally too.
Serious ones. You have to be a bit of a Moron to take them.
Wow, what a lot of utter rubbish!!
I have cataracts from steroids. This are 100% NON reversible.
I suggest you learn some facts before posting tripe.
Serious ones. You have to be a bit of a Moron to take them.
Wow, what a lot of utter rubbish!!
I have cataracts from steroids. This are 100% NON reversible.
I suggest you learn some facts before posting tripe.
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See this is the problem, people spouting rubbish about steroids when they actually know very little themselves.
Frazzles, your cataracts may have been caused by steroids. BUT they would be corticosteroids, NOT anabolic steroids. Two very different things. So maybe you should learn some facts before posting tripe.
Jeffstar, you sound like the media. Using extreme examples to scaremonger and argue your case. Gynecomastia is really not that common. But if you happen to be on a cycle and start to notice the onset of gyno then nolva can be taken to deal with that. Some teenage boys develop gynecomastia during puberty and surgery can be used to fix it. The same option is available to bodybuilders on AAS who may suffer badly with it.
Hair loss can be sped up if your already predisposed to suffer male pattern baldness. But not everyone who uses AAS loses their hair.
You also seem unable to grasp that their are users and abusers. Many people use AAS in a responsible way, making sure they do a proper post cycle therapy (PCT). Also having their bloodwork done to monitor their health.
But then like many drugs, legal and illegal, you have your abusers. Who instead of using these powerful hormones responsibly, decide to completely disregard their health and safety. They take massive amounts, never run a PCT and ignore side effects until you end up with someone like the guy from the OP. You keep going on about all these well documented study's, can you post them up?
Then the old roid rage rubbish. If someone gets angry and their on AAS it's roid rage, if their not on AAS it's just normal everyday anger. Yes you do get ****'s who happen to take steroids, but from my experience they were ****'s before.
You want to see rage just find some idiots who have had too much to drink. Alcohol rage is a much bigger problem wouldn't you agree? Or is that ok with you because alcohol is accepted in society?
Regarding the psychiatric effects again it all comes down use and abuse. Some of the negative psychiatric effects occur when a proper pct is not run. The body has stopped producing it's own testosterone, and low test can cause a number psychological problems even in people who have never touched AAS.
Other psychiatric effects are based on the users own insecurity's. For example they may fear losing their gains and "don't want to become small again" to quote what someone once said to me. So they simply stay on AAS all year round, this again falls into the category of an abuser.
The biggest psychiatric effect is the society we live in today. Theirs so much pressure for young men to look a certain way. A young lad wanting to take AAS is similar to those 15-16 year old girls who want boob and nose jobs etc.
Then you just have some already crazy mofo who decides to take AAS.
Frazzles, your cataracts may have been caused by steroids. BUT they would be corticosteroids, NOT anabolic steroids. Two very different things. So maybe you should learn some facts before posting tripe.
Jeffstar, you sound like the media. Using extreme examples to scaremonger and argue your case. Gynecomastia is really not that common. But if you happen to be on a cycle and start to notice the onset of gyno then nolva can be taken to deal with that. Some teenage boys develop gynecomastia during puberty and surgery can be used to fix it. The same option is available to bodybuilders on AAS who may suffer badly with it.
Hair loss can be sped up if your already predisposed to suffer male pattern baldness. But not everyone who uses AAS loses their hair.
You also seem unable to grasp that their are users and abusers. Many people use AAS in a responsible way, making sure they do a proper post cycle therapy (PCT). Also having their bloodwork done to monitor their health.
But then like many drugs, legal and illegal, you have your abusers. Who instead of using these powerful hormones responsibly, decide to completely disregard their health and safety. They take massive amounts, never run a PCT and ignore side effects until you end up with someone like the guy from the OP. You keep going on about all these well documented study's, can you post them up?
Then the old roid rage rubbish. If someone gets angry and their on AAS it's roid rage, if their not on AAS it's just normal everyday anger. Yes you do get ****'s who happen to take steroids, but from my experience they were ****'s before.
You want to see rage just find some idiots who have had too much to drink. Alcohol rage is a much bigger problem wouldn't you agree? Or is that ok with you because alcohol is accepted in society?
Regarding the psychiatric effects again it all comes down use and abuse. Some of the negative psychiatric effects occur when a proper pct is not run. The body has stopped producing it's own testosterone, and low test can cause a number psychological problems even in people who have never touched AAS.
Other psychiatric effects are based on the users own insecurity's. For example they may fear losing their gains and "don't want to become small again" to quote what someone once said to me. So they simply stay on AAS all year round, this again falls into the category of an abuser.
The biggest psychiatric effect is the society we live in today. Theirs so much pressure for young men to look a certain way. A young lad wanting to take AAS is similar to those 15-16 year old girls who want boob and nose jobs etc.
Then you just have some already crazy mofo who decides to take AAS.
Don't worry Billy no need ot get so oddly defensive... we won't judge you because you take steroids.
Soldato
Some athletes are going to be naturally stronger or faster than others, should we start giving their rivals a helping hand to even the field out?
Levels of testosterone in a persons blood stream should be considered to be no different to any other genetic trait IMO
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Well at the moment there is nothing, I mean 100% nothing they can do to stop people taking mega doses of steroids for years, bulking up, leaning up, doing whatever they want then going off them for 6 months to a year before entering for competitions. SO you can 100% have all the ill gotten gains from testosterone and get to a level you couldn't naturally get to, then simply maintain it right into competition. SO you can cheat, anyway, very easily. Not to mention all the people who cheat, have high testosterone but use a new drug that can't be detected yet. SO you have cheats, its 100% for sure. Our 400 or 800m(forget which, think 800, that "thick" black british women) is the same, she "missed" 3 tests, on purpose, she clearly knew she would be found guilty, got banned for a year, managed to get back but is probably running at a level she couldn't get without help. SO she's cheating and everyones happy with it.
Having a legal acceptable level would essentially level the playing field and cheating, to get higher, would be a tad pointless if it was legal but heavily controlled.
LIkewise, normal use for anyone who wants them, they should be legally available, through doctors but by making it legal you can do several things. Add testing requirements for those who want them, those who are at risk for taking them. People would happily take a few tests to confirm they are healthy enough to take them if they were legal and would probably help catch those at risk who otherwise will hurt themselves. Also monitoring users would catch people like the guy talking about in the OP, as he would have been caught and treatment given at a far far far earlier stage.
Its the illegality of things like steroids that breeds all the problems.
Wait a second, do you really have a clue about what you are saying?
When you come off cycle, you do not keep 100% of the gains for a start.
Also, realistically, how could someone train and train and train then just go enter a big time race? they couldnt.
they would need to prove themselves locally then regionally, nationally and then internationally.
Someone isnt gonna just train on roids and epo or whatever for 10 years then go enter the olympics.
Oh, also, there is likely an acceptable limit to test levels. Anything over would need to be justified i would imagine.
Man of Honour
Christine Ohuruogu, she runs the 400m (and the 200m although it is less of a specialism). If you've got proof that she was clearly doping then I suggest you present it to the British authorities or some other suitable body because up to now they've had to accept her reasons for not attending.
And as for being happy about it, very far from it, if memory serves some of her own teammates are very outspokenly against drugs in sport and so are less than enthralled that she is back.