22" monitor for Gaming and Coding

1kiwi · 20 Jun 2008 at 12:45

D.M said:
Hey beh*,

Just got my new Samsung T220 today and I also have Vista 64, so tried the latest Magic Tune & it doesnt work for me either, but looking at Samsungs troubleshooting info our 8800 series GFX cards are not supported so I guess its down to that and not the software so to speak.

Cheers for the update DM. So it's not just my computer, it's crappy samsung.

Saul · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:11

Ok, just got the monitor. Guess what. Its a B2. Two questions:

Whats the difference between the B1 and B2?
Should I send it back (tbh I can't be arsed)?

Thanks in advance,
- Saul.

Sallermas · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:13

I'd agree

Sallermas · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:14

I'd agree with the 24" comment 0.258mm DOT pitch versus .303 on the 22" or go for a Dell 2007WFP S-IPS panel 0.258mm dot pitch same resolution as the 22" 1650

psychas · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:15

Saul said:
Ok, just got the monitor. Guess what. Its a B2. Two questions:

Whats the difference between the B1 and B2?
Should I send it back (tbh I can't be arsed)?

Thanks in advance,
- Saul.

B2 has better viewing angles + around 25~30 Input lag they did mess up the panel of b2 for some reason i should send it back ang get 226 bw even c pannel has like only 3 ms S panel 1.8 ms average but not 30 :eek:

Saul · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:35

I didn't notice any ghosting at all in CS:S. Looked at the specifications and it says 2ms G2G, 5ms B2W2B.

psychas · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:42

sometimes they put sticker 2 ms witch the monitor is not

http://www.behardware.com/articles/689-2/22-inch-lcd-monitors-the-3rd-wave.html

Saul · 23 Jun 2008 at 18:07

Sweet! 0ms?!

psychas · 23 Jun 2008 at 18:27

yes but they not making them anymore and its B1 version B2 Is totally different has around 25 ms

Saul · 23 Jun 2008 at 19:22

Do you have any references / sources for that?

psychas · 23 Jun 2008 at 19:40

differences between b1 and b2 or that b1 has 0 ms imput lag?

Angel_Rex · 23 Jun 2008 at 21:36

psychas: OMG do u even know what u are writing??

psychas said:
i should send it back ang get 226 bw even c pannel has like only 3 ms S panel 1.8 ms average but not 30

the samsung 226 panels also have the 25ms lag..
did you read the review site you posted??

read it again before u give crap info out....

TN 2 ms : Samsung SyncMaster 226CW

Average RED bar 38.1 ms

min light blue 21ms

max dark blue 47ms

I have JUST come back from a LAN where i set up the B1 & B2 in clone mode stop watched it no delay except for the slight change in number as the photo took.

I couldnt see any delay in the COD4 or CSS in clone mode when firing rounds and taking photo.

maybe just a lucky B2....... but certainly the B2 is as good if not better than the 226....according to that review.

psychas · 24 Jun 2008 at 11:20

Angel_Rex said:
psychas: OMG do u even know what u are writing??

the samsung 226 panels also have the 25ms lag..
did you read the review site you posted??

read it again before u give crap info out....

TN 2 ms : Samsung SyncMaster 226CW

Average RED bar 38.1 ms

min light blue 21ms

max dark blue 47ms

I have JUST come back from a LAN where i set up the B1 & B2 in clone mode stop watched it no delay except for the slight change in number as the photo took.

I couldnt see any delay in the COD4 or CSS in clone mode when firing rounds and taking photo.

maybe just a lucky B2....... but certainly the B2 is as good if not better than the 226....according to that review.

man dont bullsh** me you should read before you post!!! u posted Samsung SyncMaster 226CW im talking about 226BW

psychas · 24 Jun 2008 at 13:00

http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3149-50.html

The ProLite E2201W-B2 is an updated version of the E2201-B1. According to Iiyama, we shouldn’t even have to test it the two are so identical. Moreover, this is what characteristics and the look would suggest. Except that test results differ noticeably, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worst.

The B1 version was deprived of a 5th star because of poor viewing angles, a critical point. The simple act of looking at a different part of the screen meant seeing darker areas around the edges. The good news is that the B2 is no longer affected!

Ergonomics remain stable. There are still VGA + DVI inputs and the bezel is black matte; however, there is no vertical adjustability or USB hub.

In games...

Reactivity is still good but it is less well controlled. The overdrive, a technology consisting of increasing the voltage to crystal ends to accelerate them, turns out to be not as well mastered. The panel manufacturer pushes components too far resulting in the appearance of a negative afterglow image or a sort of shadow behind objects in movement.

The Product Face-offs show the minimum and maximum afterglow of this screen.
The graph displays the frequency of colored or transparent afterglow images, the colored being the most bothersome.

The second new defect: while the B1 version displayed images exactly at the same rhythm as a CRT, the B2’s sequences have a delay of two images!

The B2 is supposed to be identical to the B1but in the end this isn’t the case. It does correct the main weakness of low viewing angle; however, at the same time adds unprecedented and very bothersome defects. Gamers will prefer the older version.

S panel Samsung 226BW ^

Average: 1.8 ms

A panel Samsung 226BW ^

Average : 3.9 ms

Source: http://www.behardware.com/articles/667-7/samsung-226bw-a-and-s-series-the-verdict.html

How ever i believe if you fiddle around with A settings u get same performance as S panel or close to it.

AS it stated above the b2 versions has delay of TWO images which is what? aether 2 ms or 20 ms im not sure someone has to confirm that.

Ps: picture of Iiyama B1 tested with crt monitor

Andr3w · 24 Jun 2008 at 19:17

i just got a

Samsung SM223BW 21.6" TFT Monitor Widescreen 1680x1050

delivered today, im using it now, i cannot belive how sharpe it is! Its a brilliant monitor, although i think i should have got a 20" as im abit close, i have to move my head to click start etc lol

Angel_Rex · 24 Jun 2008 at 21:10

psychas said:
http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3149-50.html

S panel Samsung 226BW ^

Average: 1.8 ms

A panel Samsung 226BW ^

Average : 3.9 ms

Source: http://www.behardware.com/articles/667-7/samsung-226bw-a-and-s-series-the-verdict.html

How ever i believe if you fiddle around with A settings u get same performance as S panel or close to it.

AS it stated above the b2 versions has delay of TWO images which is what? aether 2 ms or 20 ms im not sure someone has to confirm that.

Ps: picture of Iiyama B1 tested with crt monitor

psychas.... you do realise the CW is the identical model to the BW... IT JUST has the Samsung S panel guaranteed.

With the 226BW you can get a choice of 3 panels, A, C, S basically the S is best.

psychas · 24 Jun 2008 at 23:49

no its not it is been modified and its colors are over saturated and it's impossible to adjust

Angel_Rex · 25 Jun 2008 at 19:36

psychas said:
no its not it is been modified and its colors are over saturated and it's impossible to adjust

then i guess i stand corrected

oh but it still stands the photos of a B1 & B2 didnt show input lag in clone mode

psychas · 26 Jun 2008 at 13:11

nvm man it basically depends what do you want. i had B1 Iiyama and i sold it as it is bit ugly looking monitor now when i have 226bw S panel + the monitor looks sexy/pretty :rolleyes:

and performs well

debil · 11 Jul 2008 at 18:21

Angel_Rex said:
then i guess i stand corrected

oh but it still stands the photos of a B1 & B2 didnt show input lag in clone mode

did you take many photos? what counter did you use?

im thinkin of buying the B2 screen.