2391 Non Electrician

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Hi, after furthering my career and just about every job i look at says a 2391 would be highly beneficial. I have absolutely zero electrical training and not interested in installations etc.

Thinking do 17th Edition, 2392 then if that goes ok look at the 2391 (then possibly compex)

Just wondering if this seems a reasonable path or should give up on the 2391?

(Little background i work with PLCs in utility industry, I do a fair bit of onsite commissioning but with this always have to have a spark with me)
 
The City & Guilds 2391 is a course based on the testing, inspection and verification of electrical installations. The course content assumes you have a working knowledge of electrical installations on a domestic, commercial & industrial level and a good grasp of BS7671 as the exam is a closed book affair. I would recommend you do the relevant installation courses first as the 2391 won’t qualify you to carry out electrical installations and some job adverts assume you have the prior qualifications when stating they want the applicant to have the 2391 qualification.
 
2391 is normally seen as a difficult qualification in the elecs industry, which is why it seems to be used in job ads, assuming if you have 2391 you must be good etc.

Its suggested that you have 2 years + experience in the industry before starting to study for 2391, all pointing towards saying how difficult it is.

Its a 2 part test qualification, you need to pass a practical test, where you have to do an inspection of a standard test rig, where an examiner will watch your every move and fail you for missing a test, doing it wrong, forgetting to null the test leads etc. They also check your results again what they should be, you have to be pretty close to what the official result is etc.

The 2nd part is a closed book exam which is not graded, its pass or fail with no results or reasons given, just told you pass or fail.

The real story is......most sparks aren't academic and not great at exams, so this is why it gets a 'difficult' reputation, if your the more academic type you will walk the exam no problems but without experience you will really struggle with the practical and most likely fail.

You need to get some hours logged with a tester practicing the different tests, how to configure the test leads for each test, how to conduct the test correctly, for example r1r2 on a ring, figure of 8 connection of the conductors etc.

If you don't have your own tester you really want to learn on the same tester that you will use in the exam, you really don't want to be shown an unfamiliar tester on the day etc if you need to borrow one from the testing centre.

best advice if you want to go ahead:

watch the spark you work with more closely & ask questions
take 17th edition exam first, as this knowledge will help with the 2391
practice a lot with the tester
then book the 2391 course

good luck

Ps. 17th is open book, best advice for this is the read the book through a few times and speak to a spark or trainer to clear up any points you don't understand, once you are familiar with the book you can understand what the question is asking and find the correct charts/graphs in the regs book to answer questions

Although the exam is open book you do not have time to look up each question you need to know the book pretty well and be able to answer 95%+ of the questions without looking, then double check anything with your spare time at the end

Books to get:
Latest on site guide
Latest 2391 inspect and test book
Latest regs book
Possible Latest PAT testing book might help

Books aren't cheap probably looking at £100 all in afaik
 
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Forgot the practical is itself split into 4 parts, shamelessly stolen summary from spark forum:

1. Insulation Resistance fault finding on a mock ccu board.
2. Earth Fault Loop Impedance Test on Live Board and then have to do calculations for the 80% allowance
3. A mock board with deliberate faults/ deviations that you have to find
4. A 2 hour Periodic Inspection on a Live Board
 
2391 is now 2394/5. I have my exam next week and it's incredibly hard. Been out of my time(4 year apprentiship) 2 years so could be a experience thing. I would advise you to get the latest edition of bs7671 and guidance note 3, these will help greatly. Any experience of testing in general will help you aswell.
 
If you go for your Compex and you are not a time served/qualified electrician/tech then you will not get a full compex cert . I did my EX01,02,03 and 04 , the pass rate is not high at all at 30% of a class of 35.

What are you planning on using it for anyway , I'm in the oil industry as an Electrical Tech and its a must now from company's too have.
 
If you go for your Compex and you are not a time served/qualified electrician/tech then you will not get a full compex cert . I did my EX01,02,03 and 04 , the pass rate is not high at all at 30% of a class of 35.

What are you planning on using it for anyway , I'm in the oil industry as an Electrical Tech and its a must now from company's too have.

Hard to get fully qualified now, they have pulled up the ladder so to speak so you cannot get the only 2330 anymore and the replacement course is more annoying to qualify for, you can no longer just go to college / night school but must be working in the industry and have commercial and industrial experience afai understand it now.

Means ladder has been pulled up for career changers, now need to give up day job, cant just do night school, cant do the course if your company doesn't do any commercial or industrial work for you to provide examples of for the course etc

Some of the fast track training companies can provide you with the experience to satisfy the practical side of the new 2330 course but they of course charge and arm and a leg
 
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Sorry for the thread resurrection but im about half way through the exams at the minute. The GOLA exam is pretty hard even though it multiple choice a few lads failed it in my class, probably just luck of draw of what questions you get.

The two practical exams are pretty easy 2394 is an initial verifcation and testing with a bit of fault finding on some sperate rigs to find.

2395 is a periodic inspection which has faults on the actual rig your testing, again not too bad.

We have our written exams tommorow night and frankly im dreading them, ive seen some practice papers and basically if you memorise Guidance Note 3 and BS7671 youd have half a chance!
 
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