I suspect Adobe are already working on better multicore support. How long it takes them is another matter but it is clear that to stay ahead software developers are going to have to embrace multiple threaded applications. The first companies to really take advantage are going to see a healthy jump in sales.
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2700X or 8700K?
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I wish I could share your optimism, but from all accounts this is simply not the case.
Understanding the nature of the calculations used in manipulating pixels then you will realise that it is (and likely will be) primarily benefited from high core speed rather than multiple cores.
I was using x264 when it first came out and it really did not have multithreaded support but due to the way encoding works this was fairly straight forward to implement. The fact the some recently developed Photo editing software can still not make full use of high core counts indicates that it is not something that is likely to be done.
I've used DXO PhotoLab, with it's brilliant but time consuming Prime noise reduction, on both a 6 core 6 thread 8600k @ 5Ghz and a 20 core / 40 thread 3.4Ghz on all cores, Xeon based computer. The 8600K was 78% faster.
What CPU is in your X58 system? i7-920-950? If so, you can just throw in a nice Xeon X5650-X5680 etc. CPU, which are 6c/12t and cost about £20-50 and clock up to 4.0-4.4GHz+ using a reasonable cooler and you'll get a nice performance boost, 50% more cores and threads, which in terms of value for money vs. performance increase in productivity won't be beaten.
Why would you do this now, you ask? Well neither the current Intel/AMD platforms are perfect, and refinements are certainly being made with AMD and in all likelihood Ryzen '2' will be the real winner starting next year, by which time you'll have the benefit of DDR4 pricing having significantly reduced, as presently it is artificially high, and will contribute a huge cost to your budget especially if you want very specific RAM.
The same can be said about Intel, complete mess at the moment, 8700K is an very nice chip, overpriced to some extent, but very good. The issue is the chipset longevity, and the imminent arrival or the 8c/16t parts, which will make the 8700K defunct in it's current position on the next couple of months. Z390, with a 8900K or whatever it maybe called will be great, but again silly high prices for DDR4.
Buy a Xeon, wait until next May-June, pick up an X570 with Ryzen 3800X (12c/24t possible!), and 32GB DDR4 RAM, less than an X470, 2700X and 16GB DDR4 costs today.
I wouldn't recommend this, those x58 xeons clocked high produce 220W+ of heat, you'll miss out on all the quality of life improvements, USB3, USB3.1, Type C, NVME, Sata 3 (not all x58 boards have it, none have it natively), Pci-e V3, plus the speculative execution vulnerability fixes hit the early gen i7's far more than the more recent ones.
The IPC on X58 is significantly lower than 8700K / 2700X, the 8700K has clock speed at its advantage, X58 doesn't even have that.
Reading what wam7 said actually i tend to agree with him, at least in his terms of strictly Photoshop / Lightroom the higher clock rate of the 8700K will matter, however you do need to know exactly what you need because Video editing/encoding the higher thread count of the 2700X will give you the higher performance, as will rendering if you use anything like Blender.
One other thing to keep in mind, like all Intel platform sockets / chipset the 8700K is a dead end, so the next mainstream CPU from Intel, even the soon to come 8 core will not fit in that motherboard, so if you want to upgrade you will need to change the motherboard too.
AMD's AM4 socket will last at least two more generations, so AMD's next mainstream CPU, likely a 12 core 24 thread with even higher IPC and clock rate; due this time next year will fit in current motherboards, and the new CPU after than one...
IMO this is important for an independent content creator because it makes it cheap and easy to upgrade your performance down the line.
Reading what wam7 said actually i tend to agree with him, at least in his terms of strictly Photoshop / Lightroom the higher clock rate of the 8700K will matter, however you do need to know exactly what you need because Video editing/encoding the higher thread count of the 2700X will give you the higher performance, as will rendering if you use anything like Blender.
One other thing to keep in mind, like all Intel platform sockets / chipset the 8700K is a dead end, so the next mainstream CPU from Intel, even the soon to come 8 core will not fit in that motherboard, so if you want to upgrade you will need to change the motherboard too.
AMD's AM4 socket will last at least two more generations, so AMD's next mainstream CPU, likely a 12 core 24 thread with even higher IPC and clock rate; due this time next year will fit in current motherboards, and the new CPU after than one...
IMO this is important for an independent content creator because it makes it cheap and easy to upgrade your performance down the line.
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I would be inclined to agree with humbug, though I tend to fall into the camp of getting what is available now/imminent and not predicting what the technology will be in a year or so's time.
There simply is no getting away from it, Intel's insistence on the totally unnecessary motherboard change in each new cycle is a big feather in AMDs cap - I recently saw a post about getting the 8700k to work on the Z170 motherboard.
There simply is no getting away from it, Intel's insistence on the totally unnecessary motherboard change in each new cycle is a big feather in AMDs cap - I recently saw a post about getting the 8700k to work on the Z170 motherboard.
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