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2700X question

Gibbo said:
Yes because it’s the high binned B Die Samsung offers, the better stuff cost more it’s that simple as Samsung charge more for that IC and the 8 Pack stuff only uses the higher grade IC.
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Exactly this and our pcb has two extra layers for better signal integrity. If the cpu is capable the 3200 8Pack will do 3600 easy... The first review we had on this mem by vortez with ryzen did 3733+ stable on launch bios.... The rams can all do it.... Can the imc and infinity fabric scale the heights also.

3200 c14 8Pack dark pro or extreme ftw.
 
HRL said:
Got it. Certainly don’t want to cheap out but there are so many variations of RAM from G.Skill I don’t know which one to pick.

I thought the one I linked above was meant to be pretty good?

Should get 3200 for sure, might get more than that with the silicon lottery combination of CPU and RAM.
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Well, mine is 8Pack 3200 but 4 sticks not 2. As you can see from my profile, it runs 3533 24/7 stable.
If i run with just 2 sticks, it easily runs 3600 14-14-14. But that dosn't run "out of the box". It takes hours of fine tuning, testing and re-testing to get very tight timmings. To be honest, all XMP timmings are so loose as to be next to worthless anyway. Even on Intel, if you want fast speeds and timmings you have to "work on them". XMP is a headline speed that has such lax subtimmings as to be next to worthless.
 
8 Pack said:
Exactly this and our pcb has two extra layers for better signal integrity. If the cpu is capable the 3200 8Pack will do 3600 easy... The first review we had on this mem by vortez with ryzen did 3733+ stable on launch bios.... The rams can all do it.... Can the imc and infinity fabric scale the heights also.

3200 c14 8Pack dark pro or extreme ftw.
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Are there any noticeable performance gains in games going above 3200 c14 clocking this ram
 
Cheers people, much appreciated. I’ll get them ordered. :)

Apologies for the daft questions but it’s been so long since I dabbled with a decent build and overclocking I’m like a n00b all over again.
 
Panos said:
If you visit the CH6 discussion in overclock.net you will find posts from the day the CPU came out that there were people with 3600 rated ram doing it even on the 1700.
Those who struggle are those who bought cheap ram trying to overclock it, something they were doing with their Intel system.

8 months ago you wrote the same post, and I replied to you with the screenshot...... yet still you prefer to troll....
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I had x2 1700s. On a crosshair hero 6 with 4266mhz bdie. Neither could do 3600. Best one could do 3466. The other was 2933, yes even on that ram.
Again, the exception not the rule. If it were that easy we wouldn't have threads upon threads with people complaining about memory speeds. 2600/2700 seems more likely to hit 3600 but certainly not as widespread as you'd have people believe.
 
So people still need to buy rather pricier b die RAM just to get decent working performance on AMD right? Seems to be the case from what i can see, in which case that alone will probably make me stick with Intel.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
So people still need to buy rather pricier b die RAM just to get decent working performance on AMD right? Seems to be the case from what i can see, in which case that alone will probably make me stick with Intel.
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I'd say it's more you need to buy it to eek out the final last few frames. I'd view it more that Ryzen can take advantage of faster ram more effectively than Intel.
 
Unseul said:
I'd say it's more you need to buy it to eek out the final last few frames. I'd view it more that Ryzen can take advantage of faster ram more effectively than Intel.
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Still makes it more expensive when AMD is cheaper otherwise. What happens if you use normal cheaper memory? People have trouble running them at default speed or something?
 
Nothing wrong with standard RAM at all, I’m just trying to get a few extra frames out of a 2080Ti @ 4K, and this appears to be one way of doing it after watching a few benchmarks.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Still makes it more expensive when AMD is cheaper otherwise. What happens if you use normal cheaper memory? People have trouble running them at default speed or something?
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Just that if you are prepared to get better quality memory and/or tune it you can achieve some improvements in performance. Much like overclocking since the dawn of time. :)

Does make it more expensive if you go that route though.
 
You can just as easily answer that to get the most out of intel chips, you have to buy an expensive cooler and spend a load of time fiddling so that you can overclock it to it's full potential. Whereas with AMD, it's normally not got much wriggle room, and the stock cooler is perfectly adequate for non-overclocked use.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
So people still need to buy rather pricier b die RAM just to get decent working performance on AMD right? Seems to be the case from what i can see, in which case that alone will probably make me stick with Intel.
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Nope, regular B-die should happily run around 3200MHz with 16-16-16-36 timings, maybe faster but no guarantees.

The screened high-end B-die is what is required if you want C14 or less or wish to try for higher frequencies, but again your very dependent on the IMC quality of your Ryzen CPU.
 
So one can buy any kit and run it at its rated speed with no issues then? Seen a few saying they had problems doing that.

But if the B-die is just for overclocking it past rated speed then i suppose its fine. Would be a bit odd if any RAM had trouble working at its rated speed.
 
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