2nd Hand Monitors and the people who sell them

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OK so this is a bit of a rant thread.

I buy a lot of second hand monitors for my business probably about 100 a year and tend to source them from eBay. The reason I buy second hand and not new is you can get them for about 25% of the cost and when you are buying 100 a year that soon adds up.

I only buy monitors that are in great condition. I am not interested in monitors that have loads of dead pixels, squashed bugs, pressure marks, scratches or any other defects. Therefore I specifically seek out good quality monitors and specifically ask the seller if the monitor has any of the above defects. I will only buy a monitor if the seller can assure me that there are no defects.

So after buying a monitor that has been sold under the assurance that there are no issues, I would estimate that for every 1 good quality, as described monitor I receive, I will receive 3 that are not as described.

The most common issue I come across is that when asked if there are any scratches on the screen, the seller answers no and upon inspection I find multiple obvious scratches. the vast majority of these scratched monitors turn up filthy making it impossible for the seller to be able to tell if there are any defects in the first place. Therefore I have to come to the conclusion that three quarters of sellers I deal with are liars.

For instance, just today I received a monitor that was described as both "Has not been used. Just opened." and "Opened – never used". When I inspected it this is what it looks like out of the box:

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A filthy, clearly not just taken out of the box for a photo, monitor that also has the added bonus of a squashed bug behind the screen. To make matters worse the seller has decided instead of just letting me return it for a refund, they would rather argue about it. A silly thing to do considering I am 100% guaranteed a refund if I open a dispute and it puts them at risk of negative feedback. Multiply this a couple of hundred times a year.

The cost savings of buying from eBay are still outweighing the hassle. Just.

The thing is, why do eBay sellers do this? More to the point, why do eBay sellers do this to themselves? I specifically ask the sellers about the defects so that I have in writing that the monitors have no defects. That makes it super simple for me to dispute the transaction and allow me to return the monitor at the sellers expense. It ends up costing the seller more than the monitor is worth in postage. If you were trying to sell a monitor and someone asks very specific questions about defects you have to be some sort of special idiot to either not bother checking to see if it has defects and say it doesn't, or just straight up lie about it.

I can see why the big sellers do it. They can absorb the cost through volume.

It just astounds me though the amount of people who are idiots and liars on eBay. Oh well. Rant over. Feel a bit better now!
 
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Yeah, that'll be why.

Plenty of legitimate sellers on there, but unfortunately dwarfed by the huge number who just try it on (sadly the same is true with buyers).

I recently bought a keyboard on there "Opened - Never Used". It turned up with dirt, grime and hairs all over and under the keys, and the OLED screen had the Steelseries logo burned into it, so clearly it had been used, and for at least several months!

The seller's excuse was "the person I bought it from said it was never used"... not sure whether to believe that or not, but to be fair to them they did issue a refund as soon as I sent it back. Still a waste of time though :(
 
So after buying a monitor that has been sold under the assurance that there are no issues, I would estimate that for every 1 good quality, as described monitor I receive, I will receive 3 that are not as described.

And you wonder why they sell for 25% of the new price.

Still a waste of time though :(

This is the point. @lovelyhead, how much is your time worth? Say you charge yourself out at £50 per hour and each substandard monitor takes an hour of your time - an hour you could be earning money - that's £50 lost income for each substandard monitor. When you can get a brand new monitor from OCUK for £75 it's just not cost-effective. And your customers get a brand new monitor with a warranty.
 
Some might just be flogging on stuff they've picked up in lots, etc. without thoroughly checking the condition of every item and just going by the condition they were supposedly sold as to them - although they don't generally tend to argue if something isn't as described.
 
Likely most of them have got bulk lot of IT equipment from companies that haven't survived covid and give them a quick 'clean' then sell on.

This, I was looking for a replacement pc for my parents and brought a dell optiplex from a seller like this. The seller hadn't even wiped the hard drive :eek: lots of private documents I accidentally come across.:rolleyes:
 
Isn’t this a ‘you’ issue? You’ve got high standards for eBay and you’re expecting people who don’t give a monkeys to understand what you’re talking about. They want to sell so unsurprisingly say everything is fine. Sounds like you’d be better on Gumtree or Facebook Marketplace where you can inspect the item first.
 
Isn’t this a ‘you’ issue? You’ve got high standards for eBay and you’re expecting people who don’t give a monkeys to understand what you’re talking about. They want to sell so unsurprisingly say everything is fine. Sounds like you’d be better on Gumtree or Facebook Marketplace where you can inspect the item first.

No. Misleading listings and lying to prospective buyers when giving answers to explicit questions is definitely a problem with the seller.
 
The reason I buy second hand and not new is you can get them for about 25% of the cost and when you are buying 100 a year that soon adds up.

This puzzles me a bit, surely 25% of a discount is not enough to warrant this sort of hassle? If you are buying them for your business too you must be claiming the vat back on new monitors at 20% anyway
 
No. Misleading listings and lying to prospective buyers when giving answers to explicit questions is definitely a problem with the seller.

You can’t reasonably expect cheap plus amazing quality and amazing customer service from a secondhand auction site. It’s just not going to happen in most cases.
 
I was done over on ebay i think. Bought a monitor and tested it and all seemed well.
Didnt use it much at all and then i discover the screen has an intermittent fault where the colors go all funny.
Too late to get refund, £135 down the drain.
 
You can’t reasonably expect cheap plus amazing quality and amazing customer service from a secondhand auction site. It’s just not going to happen in most cases.

Rubbish. If something is listed as clean, in excellent condition and with no faults, and you explicitly ask the seller if it's clean, in excellent condition and with no faults and they confirm that it is clean, in excellent condition and with no faults, it is perfectly reasonable to expect the item to be clean, in excellent condition and with no faults. Thankfully Ebay, Paypal, etc. and the law all agree with me, even if you don't (remind me never to buy anything from you in the MM!).
 
Rubbish. If something is listed as clean, in excellent condition and with no faults, and you explicitly ask the seller if it's clean, in excellent condition and with no faults and they confirm that it is clean, in excellent condition and with no faults, it is perfectly reasonable to expect the item to be clean, in excellent condition and with no faults. Thankfully Ebay, Paypal, etc. and the law all agree with me, even if you don't (remind me never to buy anything from you in the MM!).

Couldn't have said it better myself.

That last seller saw the light after a couple of days and sent me a return label but not before I started a dispute and reminded them that I was still considering what sort of feedback I would be leaving them.

Just ordered another monitor from a company that advertised it as "Grade A. Free from any defects such as scratches, pressure marks etc."

We shall see.
 
Some might just be flogging on stuff they've picked up in lots, etc. without thoroughly checking the condition of every item and just going by the condition they were supposedly sold as to them - although they don't generally tend to argue if something isn't as described.
Yeah that's what I reckon. OP is a fussy buyer but they know a lot of others either won't be or won't bother chasing it up.

Many years ago, I bought a big CRT off ebay, I couldn't get it working properly and was too lazy to try and return it (no idea who paid postage back then but it was extremely heavy). So people like I was then make it easy for them.
 
Yeah that's what I reckon. OP is a fussy buyer but they know a lot of others either won't be or won't bother chasing it up.

Many years ago, I bought a big CRT off ebay, I couldn't get it working properly and was too lazy to try and return it (no idea who paid postage back then but it was extremely heavy). So people like I was then make it easy for them.

This is what I have found from the big monitor sellers on eBay. They list items tons of items, not as good as described usually, with the hope that the vast majority of buyers will just not be bothered to go through the returns process. You are probably more likely to get a "not as described" monitor from one of the big sellers as you would from a normal seller just listing one monitor. Why small sellers list their monitors as in great condition when they are not is a mystery to me as they stand a much higher probability of ending up taking a loss on the sale versus a big seller.
 
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