3 Nil to the Keyboard Warriors!!
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Nix said:
Definitely. If you wallop them properly with a bowling ball they're not going anywhere for a while surely!
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All his mates might terrorise you, your family and your shop for grassing their mate up, this kind of stuff happens quite frequently. You might want to invest in some cctv equipment and a big dog, you might not be so lucky next time.
I'm not in a UK jurisdiction so the prosecution wont help in restoring your faith in the UK judicial system I'm afraid. I will update of course.
As for CCTV we have it but its on the blink! Typical isn't it!
The guy is a smack head. ID'd him this afternoon no problem. You want to see the dirty look he gave me!
As for the comments about selling up. Well, I know its a bit of a cliche but we won't let them drive us out of business. Our family have run a shop here for the last 75 years and 4 generations.
TBH I wonder what quiet little Hamlets some of you are from if you think 3 attempted robberies in the last 12-13 years is a lot and worth selling up to get away from??
Towards the end of my grandfathers tenure running the business he was robbed for the first time in '84 or '85. Nothing for the next 8 years till '93 when the Gun/Bowling Ball attempted robbery took place. Then nothing again for 12 years till '05 and now this incident in '06. Not bad going I would have thought for a town just south of my countries capital with a population of 35,000. Most other shops and pharmacies in the town have probably had 3 successful robberies in the last 5 years never mind the last 20.
According to the detectives this is down to 3 things. Most other places have young female staff whereas we have 3 lads including myself between 24 and 30yo. ie More likely to fight back which puts crims off.
Most places have staff with no real allegience to the place of work who will step back and let the crims do what they are going to do. I don't blame them for this and it would be the sensible thing for us to have done too. Thing is, when its your own business and family its almost like instinct takes over, "Oi, no one is putting one over on us!" etc Tried to explain this gut reaction to my mother after telling her about chasing some little scrotes for shoplifting. She said it wasn't worth it. I agreed completely with her but explained that I was in pursuit without even thinking. A few months latter she was covering a shift and some drunk adult scumbag grabbed a handful of postcards and sauntered down the road with them. She said the next thing she remembered was pulling him backwards by his collar, shouting at him and grabbing the postcards back with him with a look of shock on his face saying, "Sorry Missus, Sorry Missus". She then understood exactly what I meant.
Anywaypoint is a fair portion of my towns scymbag population would know that our shop is a family business staffed entirely by male family members more likely to defend their livelyhood than some random teenage shop assistant.
Third reason the detective suggested for the long gap between the Gun/Bowling ball attempted robbery and the next one was probably the fact that the guy and his mate had tried to rob us with a gun (Turned out to be a starting pistol). Although he got away with it in the end the towns criminal fraternity would have known it was him who did it, that this was the towns most dangerous criminal(We didn't know this at the time) who got nothing in the robbery and lost his gun, that we must be mad barstewards and it wouldn't be worth the hassle robbing us. This of course would only apply to other criminals in the town and wouldn't help against outsiders. The guy who tried to rob my father last year wasn't from the town. Last nights guy was the first criminal from the town to attempt a robbery. We are talking 13 years latter so perhaps its only now that we are seeing a new generation of criminals in the town who hadn't heard 'the warnings' or are too smacked out to care. (On a sidenote, this guy is in the frame for 3 murders since and is now no longer a 'common hood' but is a key figure in my countries east coast gangland fraternity. Do ya think if we had known any of this or who this guy was that we would have fought back and with a bowling ball at that!!)
After the Gun attempted robbery 13 years ago my father rationalised fighting back by saying that the situation was so unreal that it was kinda like", Nah he's never gonna shoot me for a few quid in the till of this little shop(as it was then). My rationale was that I wasn't going to stand idly by while my dad had a gun waved in his face and traded blows with a robber. The gun thing was unreal to me too. After that incident we remember saying to each other that we must have been mad and that we would be more scared and more likely to give in if knives were involved. Well last nights incident proves that instinct still seems to over-ride the sensible thing to do despite what I had previously said about never confronting someone with a knife.
Basically this is it. I saw my brother in a head lock with a knife near his throat. I just reacted without thinking. I just Had to help my brother. Maybe it would have been safer for both of us if I 'Helped' him by walking over, opening the till for the scumbag and stepping back.
However, there was no thought process involved whatsoever, no thoughts of wanting to be a hero, no thoughts of wanting to save the day, no thoughts of even saving the contents of the till.
Hey don't blame me, blame my amygdala! Primitive instinctive Brain stem and all that.
As for CCTV we have it but its on the blink! Typical isn't it!
The guy is a smack head. ID'd him this afternoon no problem. You want to see the dirty look he gave me!
As for the comments about selling up. Well, I know its a bit of a cliche but we won't let them drive us out of business. Our family have run a shop here for the last 75 years and 4 generations.
TBH I wonder what quiet little Hamlets some of you are from if you think 3 attempted robberies in the last 12-13 years is a lot and worth selling up to get away from??
Towards the end of my grandfathers tenure running the business he was robbed for the first time in '84 or '85. Nothing for the next 8 years till '93 when the Gun/Bowling Ball attempted robbery took place. Then nothing again for 12 years till '05 and now this incident in '06. Not bad going I would have thought for a town just south of my countries capital with a population of 35,000. Most other shops and pharmacies in the town have probably had 3 successful robberies in the last 5 years never mind the last 20.
According to the detectives this is down to 3 things. Most other places have young female staff whereas we have 3 lads including myself between 24 and 30yo. ie More likely to fight back which puts crims off.
Most places have staff with no real allegience to the place of work who will step back and let the crims do what they are going to do. I don't blame them for this and it would be the sensible thing for us to have done too. Thing is, when its your own business and family its almost like instinct takes over, "Oi, no one is putting one over on us!" etc Tried to explain this gut reaction to my mother after telling her about chasing some little scrotes for shoplifting. She said it wasn't worth it. I agreed completely with her but explained that I was in pursuit without even thinking. A few months latter she was covering a shift and some drunk adult scumbag grabbed a handful of postcards and sauntered down the road with them. She said the next thing she remembered was pulling him backwards by his collar, shouting at him and grabbing the postcards back with him with a look of shock on his face saying, "Sorry Missus, Sorry Missus". She then understood exactly what I meant.
Anywaypoint is a fair portion of my towns scymbag population would know that our shop is a family business staffed entirely by male family members more likely to defend their livelyhood than some random teenage shop assistant.
Third reason the detective suggested for the long gap between the Gun/Bowling ball attempted robbery and the next one was probably the fact that the guy and his mate had tried to rob us with a gun (Turned out to be a starting pistol). Although he got away with it in the end the towns criminal fraternity would have known it was him who did it, that this was the towns most dangerous criminal(We didn't know this at the time) who got nothing in the robbery and lost his gun, that we must be mad barstewards and it wouldn't be worth the hassle robbing us. This of course would only apply to other criminals in the town and wouldn't help against outsiders. The guy who tried to rob my father last year wasn't from the town. Last nights guy was the first criminal from the town to attempt a robbery. We are talking 13 years latter so perhaps its only now that we are seeing a new generation of criminals in the town who hadn't heard 'the warnings' or are too smacked out to care. (On a sidenote, this guy is in the frame for 3 murders since and is now no longer a 'common hood' but is a key figure in my countries east coast gangland fraternity. Do ya think if we had known any of this or who this guy was that we would have fought back and with a bowling ball at that!!)
After the Gun attempted robbery 13 years ago my father rationalised fighting back by saying that the situation was so unreal that it was kinda like", Nah he's never gonna shoot me for a few quid in the till of this little shop(as it was then). My rationale was that I wasn't going to stand idly by while my dad had a gun waved in his face and traded blows with a robber. The gun thing was unreal to me too. After that incident we remember saying to each other that we must have been mad and that we would be more scared and more likely to give in if knives were involved. Well last nights incident proves that instinct still seems to over-ride the sensible thing to do despite what I had previously said about never confronting someone with a knife.
Basically this is it. I saw my brother in a head lock with a knife near his throat. I just reacted without thinking. I just Had to help my brother. Maybe it would have been safer for both of us if I 'Helped' him by walking over, opening the till for the scumbag and stepping back.
However, there was no thought process involved whatsoever, no thoughts of wanting to be a hero, no thoughts of wanting to save the day, no thoughts of even saving the contents of the till.
Hey don't blame me, blame my amygdala!
Primitive instinctive Brain stem and all that.copycatuk said:to be honest stupid really - one day theres going to be a maniac with a knife who is actually willing to stab you and not run away - why take the chance
Good on you for doing what you did though
Aye, that's true... but the second people start to step back from a thief/attacker, that's when crime rates go up as tbh, they can do whatever the hell they want.
I know this is keyboard warrior-ish, but if I ever saw some scrote trying to break into my car or kick the front door down, I'd grab the metal breaker bar that's next to my bed and give as good as I could.
The more people stand up towards these thugs, the sooner they'll realise they can't get away with just anything.
Congrats OP! You must feel really proud
i can understand reacting to a person being held in certain situations and the need to rescue but for posessions theres no point risking injury/even death for things that can be replaced
i agree we should stand up to thiefs etc but the people of these times wont think twice about plunging something very sharp into their own mother to feed their addiction
i agree we should stand up to thiefs etc but the people of these times wont think twice about plunging something very sharp into their own mother to feed their addiction