30/11 Strikes.

Just used the 'improved offer' calculator from the intranet today, 8 years more work for £7k a year LESS pension WTF is improved about that

Using that calculator published today will encourage more to strike :)
 
wildman said:
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thats all wrong, (unless its your way of saying you wanted a cheeky day off :D ). The fact that you feel you have to show solidarity even if you honestly feel that your issues are not being handled correctly by the unions ? That comes across marginally communist in that its all for one and one for all even if you don't subscribe to their points of view on something ?
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I do hope you're not calling me a Communist as well?

The clue is in the name. UNION. I suggest you look it up in a dictionary.
 
nkata said:
resisting new technology
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Now this is an interesting point. Of course advancing technology is a good thing. But this system punishes people for it. Technology often replaces jobs, which should be a good thing, but all it means is that the people in those jobs can no longer earn a living. Which is part of the reason why we have a 'reasonably' large manufacturing sector but such a relatively low number of people employed in it. Those people who are no longer needed go into jobs that exist really just because people need jobs, which are often mundane and soul crushing. Because people have to earn a living. They have to work for such a tiny portion of what their work is actually worth to put food on the table. Rather than what should be happening, which is that some people work in producing and distributing the necessities of life, and everybody else "works" in 'producing' the benefits of civilization for all to enjoy.

Which is part of what unions seem to have forgotten - that they aren't the solution. They're a resistance to the problem.

"Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want."
 
Dolph said:
well, we had a highly biased pro union quote that contained hyperbole and lies...
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Lies are maybe pushing it a bit, misrepresentation depending on your take on influence and history then yes.. anyway historical debate aside your negativity sits very disjointed from the original quote's positiveness notwithstanding any claims of veracity.

This is what needs to calm down in my mind.


Dolph said:
caps on donations from individuals, corporations and unions, reform of union political funds and interim state funding for an adjustment period.
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Offer a figure on the cap?
 
oh btw, whoever mentioned lack of public supports for the strikes have you seen the latest poll reported via the BBC?

I thank you and goodnight gentlemen, I hope to continue this discussion tomorrow.
 
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Now this is an interesting point. Of course advancing technology is a good thing. But this system punishes people for it. Technology often replaces jobs, which should be a good thing, but all it means is that the people in those jobs can no longer earn a living. Which is part of the reason why we have a 'reasonably' large manufacturing sector but such a relatively low number of people employed in it. Those people who are no longer needed go into jobs that exist really just because people need jobs, which are often mundane and soul crushing. Because people have to earn a living. They have to work for such a tiny portion of what their work is actually worth to put food on the table. Rather than what should be happening, which is that some people work in producing and distributing the necessities of life, and everybody else "works" in 'producing' the benefits of civilization for all to enjoy.

Which is part of what unions seem to have forgotten - that they aren't the solution. They're a resistance to the problem.

"Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want."
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I refuse to use self service in supermarkets, my missus thinks I'm mad and I probably am. However, I'm happy to wait an extra 5 minutes to pay for the shopping if it helps to keep people in a job.
 
Yozz76 said:
I refuse to use self service in supermarkets, my missus thinks I'm mad and I probably am. However, I'm happy to wait an extra 5 minutes to pay for the shopping if it helps to keep people in a job.
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same
 
Yozz76 said:
I refuse to use self service in supermarkets, my missus thinks I'm mad and I probably am. However, I'm happy to wait an extra 5 minutes to pay for the shopping if it helps to keep people in a job.
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Hmm. I've never thought of it like that.

I tend to use staffed tills anyway. Items like Pizzas always upsets the weigh scales!
 
wildman said:
The highlighted part......

thats all wrong, (unless its your way of saying you wanted a cheeky day off :D ). The fact that you feel you have to show solidarity even if you honestly feel that your issues are not being handled correctly by the unions ? That comes across marginally communist in that its all for one and one for all even if you don't subscribe to their points of view on something ?
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It's not about a cheeky day off. :)

The highlighted part: That is how I feel about being a member of the union.

My specific gripe with my union is more to do with the way it is being run and the way they have handled general issues in the past and if I leave it's not because of what unions in general stand for but because of my union's poor management, misleading rhetoric and failure to stick to courses of action that they set in motion.

I think it is a key principle of being a union member that you support the will of the majority otherwise their is no point in joining in the first place. Alright, so I probably wont be as adversely effected by the pension reforms as many of the members but their position is weaker without the support of me and my colleagues. Conversely there might come a time when I am directly effected by something and I would expect their support as fellow union members.

As I said, I think it's key to how a union's membership should operate and if people can't commit to this then they should join in the first place.

Just my 2 pence. :)
 
Yozz76 said:
I refuse to use self service in supermarkets, my missus thinks I'm mad and I probably am. However, I'm happy to wait an extra 5 minutes to pay for the shopping if it helps to keep people in a job.
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I do this as well........I just don't think I should pay the same when I am doing the companies work for them though. If they want me to serve myself, I shoukd get a discount for doing so.
 
Castiel said:
I do this as well........I just don't think I should pay the same when I am doing the companies work for them though. If they want me to serve myself, I shoukd get a discount for doing so.
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Should you tip the staff at a self service buffet?

Edit: wtf am I doing getting dragged into this thread. I'm off to play a game. :D
 
Yozz76 said:
Absolutely and you know what, I'm proud of it too.
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Good for you.

Biohazard said:
Nothing wrong with having principles surely? Don't do it myself but I can more than certainly see the logic.
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There's nothing really wrong with it, it's just that the reason given was a bit strange.

Castiel's logic is a better reason for not using them, and the fact they're a bit dodgy at the best of times.
 
Yozz76 said:
I refuse to use self service in supermarkets, my missus thinks I'm mad and I probably am. However, I'm happy to wait an extra 5 minutes to pay for the shopping if it helps to keep people in a job.
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Luddite....

If everyone had that attitude then we might as well all still be ploughing fields, living in mud huts and no one would really have bothered with the industrial revolution.

Technology putting people out of jobs that are no longer required is a good thing.

Do you also refuse to use cash machines so as to keep bank clerks busy?
 
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