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Err Uni isn't about having a 'teacher' - thats what school is for. Uni is about independant learning. They are not there to 'teach' you they are there to deliver lecture material you can use to teach yourself.
30/11 Strikes.
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Err Uni isn't about having a 'teacher' - thats what school is for. Uni is about independant learning. They are not there to 'teach' you they are there to deliver lecture material you can use to teach yourself.
For some people the loss of a days pay is a significant pressure on their finances, especially low earners with a family.
Thats what weekends are for.
personally speaking it will be nice to spend a day out shopping with them or similar but i think the parks out(starting to snow in Jockland tonight)
but surely the strikers could look at alternative means of protest rather than putting parents/members of the public out as all their doing is turning people against them
schools closing so teachers can strike doesnt make me think poor teachers loosing pensions boo hoo. it makes me think, what a bunch of ***** now i've got to make alternative arrangements because these folks want to stick it to the government.
On the contrary your lecturers will probably be more engaged with the process if they feel valued by their employer..
If you look at what they say, I think you'll find they are. In workplaces any benefit the Union brings in conditions or pay and so forth everybody recieves it regardless of membership status, the Union by it's nature is very used to a type of altruism. It's in its nature.
Yup but life is unfair at times.
Thats what weekends are for.
personally speaking it will be nice to spend a day out shopping with them or similar but i think the parks out(starting to snow in Jockland tonight)
but surely the strikers could look at alternative means of protest rather than putting parents/members of the public out as all their doing is turning people against them
schools closing so teachers can strike doesnt make me think poor teachers loosing pensions boo hoo. it makes me think, what a bunch of ***** now i've got to make alternative arrangements because these folks want to stick it to the government.
Striking is the last resort, do you think they want to strike and lose a days pay as well
Yeah, it certainly is. Maybe the public sector workers should heed that advice also....
And do what?
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Realise that people are going to be angry that they are being forced to lose money, and are potentially being asked to contribute more to a scheme they have no benefit from so that those who do benefit do not have to increase their contributions themselves.
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Oh I know that, it's with regards to the non lecturing parts of their roles, seminar/tutorial and out side help I have found many to struggle to provide effective help due to a lack of formal training in this area. Most can provide information but few know how help outside that hour of lecturing despite being required to spend more time to develop students understanding.
I feel the lecturers/teachers should get value from their job by doing a good job teaching their students...
Not really a fan of unionism as it tends to go too far, though they are needed to ensure against the evils of capitalism and stuff...
No, because then we will be back to Victorian time work ethics from bosses
No we won't.
Foxtrot is a taxi driver what if he went on strike with all the other taxi/private hair vehicles due to the council putting up rate or cutting down on drivers and people needed taxis to get to work or old people needed the cars to get to hospital etc.
Cabbies threaten to stage a strike
Works both ways, people shouldn't be so harsh to blast people that strike, you never know when you feel the need to, to protect your job
I wasn't. I was explaining why he may be angry and that your statement "losing a days pay won't bankrupt you" was a little off as there are many people who simply cannot afford to lose a days pay....that includes people who might consider strike action to protect their T&Cs.....
However that has nothing to do with your claim that if the public sector workers didn't strike over pensions (which if they get their way, could potentially lead to more job losses as the cuts are moved elsewhere) and instead came to a compromise that it would mean a return to Victorian working practices, that is simply rhetoric with no basis in fact....Current legislation alone would negate that.
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Why does everyone seem to be under this impression that out sourcing saves money, they do not do it for love they do it to make money, but all I hear now is how outsourcing saves money.
I do believe that private companies can offer a better service but I think that's more to do with the fact private companies invest in the staff, one thing the public sector is vary bad at is investment for the future.
And you have to remember most staff on the ground just do what the elected members you guys voted for say.
I went and worked for the public sector as I thought decent pension at the end, not great pay leading up to it.
I know plenty of people in the private sector, a husband of one of my workers is a car salesman who earns a crap basic wage, but on them months he sells 15 cars he earns more in a month then I would do in 3, but they choose not to save that extra earnings and go on holiday four times a year.
I wont strike its a waste of time, what I object to is every person who can bashing every public sector worker first chance they get, but will be first in line to complain when bins don't get emptied and the streets full of dog ****, and then complain it takes 10 minutes to report it as half the staff have been sacked at the public's will.
The school my kids go to is excellent, I could not care if they pay them teachers 100k a year, as long as my kids get a decent education that's all I am concerned with.
You have an idiot like George Osbourne in government who's minted, who then is also picking up public money each month, yet they expect "the big community" to get out and sort out areas when they go to work all day for pennies. These MP's just don't live in the real world.
I do believe that private companies can offer a better service but I think that's more to do with the fact private companies invest in the staff, one thing the public sector is vary bad at is investment for the future.
And you have to remember most staff on the ground just do what the elected members you guys voted for say.
I went and worked for the public sector as I thought decent pension at the end, not great pay leading up to it.
I know plenty of people in the private sector, a husband of one of my workers is a car salesman who earns a crap basic wage, but on them months he sells 15 cars he earns more in a month then I would do in 3, but they choose not to save that extra earnings and go on holiday four times a year.
I wont strike its a waste of time, what I object to is every person who can bashing every public sector worker first chance they get, but will be first in line to complain when bins don't get emptied and the streets full of dog ****, and then complain it takes 10 minutes to report it as half the staff have been sacked at the public's will.
The school my kids go to is excellent, I could not care if they pay them teachers 100k a year, as long as my kids get a decent education that's all I am concerned with.
You have an idiot like George Osbourne in government who's minted, who then is also picking up public money each month, yet they expect "the big community" to get out and sort out areas when they go to work all day for pennies. These MP's just don't live in the real world.
poor arguement cheets
for a start i'm a private hire driver not a hack driver and not all councils limit the number of hacks like that in your article, If i strike people wouldnt notice tbh theres plenty of others who would gladly take on the work i would pass up on
never understood the situations where hackney drivers or phc drivers go on strike as all their doing is throwing their work to the others in your article the local phc drivers will take up the slack and all the hack drivers would accomplish is being down a bit of cash and getting a story in the paper
for a start i'm a private hire driver not a hack driver and not all councils limit the number of hacks like that in your article, If i strike people wouldnt notice tbh theres plenty of others who would gladly take on the work i would pass up on
never understood the situations where hackney drivers or phc drivers go on strike as all their doing is throwing their work to the others in your article the local phc drivers will take up the slack and all the hack drivers would accomplish is being down a bit of cash and getting a story in the paper
I think they realise that some people will be angered, yes. Not everyone though. That contributions are set to fall and I don't think many object to at least more equalisation between the various public sector schemes but it isn't happening, the current offer is largely unexplained and it comes with a 25 year "one generation" review period. Meaning the eldest are uneffected, the middle are 'squeezed', and the young staff members are simply entering into the unknown now with another unknown second adjustment to come.. notwithstanding any review of retirement age in this time frame.
It's all well looking at the PSPs as something on its own, a special case, something to scorn, but it's a distraction from the fact that lowering living conditions for any group isn't progress.
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I can assure you there is more to engagement and employee happyness and wellbeing than merely the task at hand, even when it is something you enjoy. I'm not sure why those in education are supposed to act in benevolence and that alone?
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Article hear about what the pension changes actually mean.
The part that shocks me the most is this
A £600k pension pot, if accrued without investment would mean a contribution of £1,250 a month for 40 years. They are being asked to contribute 3.2% of their salary which is £91 a month.
And this is the scheme the unions are rejecting.
The part that shocks me the most is this
A £600k pension pot, if accrued without investment would mean a contribution of £1,250 a month for 40 years. They are being asked to contribute 3.2% of their salary which is £91 a month.
And this is the scheme the unions are rejecting.