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wildman, it was a genuine question to which Dolph answered. Everyone is entitled to their opinions regardless if it's right or wrong.
30/11 Strikes.
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Or call the year 2 teacher lazy, selfish scum and demand the school provides the service that we are forced to pay for?
Or is unnecessary vitriol only permitted from unions towards others, not the other way around?
so unions such as Unite did not start their rhetoric the moment the election result was confirmed?
Len McCluskey didn't write an article in the guardian yesterday talking about how this strike is political, and not really about what is in their members best interests at all?
Not all unions fund labour, but Labour is pretty much exclusively funded by unions.
The clue should be in the name 'trade union' however the trade seems to have been dropped in favour of a nice sounding brand Unison etc.
Unions were set up to represent people in their dealings with powerful individuals and companies, organising to help create good safe working conditions and minimum levels of pay for a skill. All very commendable and like Dolph I would endorse greater representation for the workforce at management level based on continuing to create growth and productivity and hence wealth generally.
Monolithic organisations who are political parties in all but name and who have purely political ends, claim to represent a million people but fail to organise more than a tenth of that are not trade unions. They have outgrown their function. Headquartered in London with a highly paid professional staff they are insulated from what happens at ground level.
Their members are obliged to withdraw their labour based on results like 75% yes vote in a 33% turnout, 25% of members, because they belong to the union and pay their dues. Not many of whom will have considered all aspects of the situation, propagandised by one side or the other. Many will not want to.
This is not really a strike, mere steps in a negotiation to show a little power, everyones back at their desk tomorrow as if nothings happened. many individuals will have stories of hardship though and it will not be those who have withdrawn their labour for the day willingly.
Unions were set up to represent people in their dealings with powerful individuals and companies, organising to help create good safe working conditions and minimum levels of pay for a skill. All very commendable and like Dolph I would endorse greater representation for the workforce at management level based on continuing to create growth and productivity and hence wealth generally.
Monolithic organisations who are political parties in all but name and who have purely political ends, claim to represent a million people but fail to organise more than a tenth of that are not trade unions. They have outgrown their function. Headquartered in London with a highly paid professional staff they are insulated from what happens at ground level.
Their members are obliged to withdraw their labour based on results like 75% yes vote in a 33% turnout, 25% of members, because they belong to the union and pay their dues. Not many of whom will have considered all aspects of the situation, propagandised by one side or the other. Many will not want to.
This is not really a strike, mere steps in a negotiation to show a little power, everyones back at their desk tomorrow as if nothings happened. many individuals will have stories of hardship though and it will not be those who have withdrawn their labour for the day willingly.
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Wont find much disagreement from me there - good post!
The best work I see in my Union is at branch level, closely followed by the GEC. Progress and an understanding of the problems at hand rapidly diminishes the nearer you get to HQ.
As with government, Unions need reform from the top down to increase thier connection with thier voters/members.
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Having not read all your posts, can I assume that you are a private sector worker? Why do private sector workers always shout on about public sector workers somehow being subsistent to them and should do whatever they are told because "we pay for there services".. I find it hard to imagine anything more arrogant than that attitude.
If you take a look at the UK trade as a whole, the vast majority of money generated/traded is inside our country only (as a whole, we make very little money from outwith the UK). In that light, the whole arguement from the private sector boys saying "bend over, we pay your wages" is ridiculous - most money in the UK is simply recycled public money anyway.
I work for the public sector, I work to the best of my ability just like I would no matter who my employer is, and I feel in no way indebted to society for my lifestyle my profession allows me...
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That's what a lot of companies do like to think though.
its all very interesting but the fact is the government cannot afford to spend money like it is doing and pensions are unfunded timebombs - the unions can whinge but its going to get much much worse and there will be nothing they will be able to do about it. if they had any sense they will take advantage and take what is a very very good deal.
Economics fails, spelling fails...
and the tories are funded by rich fatcats whats your point?
i see u swallowed the propaganda how is £7k less pension and 8 years more work a 'very very good deal' ???
please go back a couple of pages for my position on party funding reform...
Did I actually need to put sarcasm tags on?
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Weren't Labour enjoying funding from very wealthy donors ?
far better than the private sector.
chances are we will have a sovereign debt crisis just like greece/italy/ireland/spain/portugal.
out debt payments are close to £50 billion a year and thats with bond yields as low as germany ( a ridiculous situation that the market will rectify eventually).
people need to live in the real world.
the great irony of course is that the working class have been screwed by a labour government
(and i am working class btw)
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@Dolph, what is your actual job? ....
Tell us why you think you're entitled to a protected pension when others aren't?
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Large compamies and Govt will always do top down procurement because of the power of the position. Not to mention the possibility of some backhander or something similar. MP's especially, after years of climbing the slippery slope do not give power away when they have finally got some.
Because we have had years of life experience to realise what the private sector does and realise it would not be good for the NHS.
And you really believe the private sector will not try to fleece the next set of politicians?
That's the problem with dogmatic minds like yours.
The market will over supply in areas that are highly profitable and ignore other areas. The cost of sending a letter to say parts of Wales or the Highlands will become prohibitive under a markey system.
Under Camerons rerforms to the welfare system and the result of the proposed pension changes this will increase dramatically. Did the Panarama program not point out that the private food suppliers to the NHS actually hindered patients recovery, a classic example of the market in operation.
Woolly statement. If any system is done correctly patients will be better off. Private companies will spend a lot on marketing to try to convince people how good they are. Private firms will have a monopoly over health care. With 'gentlemen's agreements' or other similar devices rampant in the current market, health providers will ensure they do certain sectors/geographical areas. Patients will be left with a private monopoly. Such are the ways of the market.
It only happens if they have not found the cause of the problem. To allude that doctors deliberately maltreat/deliberately mistreat patients is low even by your standards.
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Less than 10 years from retirement date the pension will not change although some payments will increase. If you are less than 15 years from retirement it is not a very good deal however if you are more than 15 years from retirement you will have every chance to revise your pension planning as the majority of professional people do every year.
It is your responsibility to ensure that you do retire at an age where you can afford it. The eight years longer is to maximise the benefit. Public servants can still retire at 60+ so get as high a promotion grade as you can.
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