30/11 Strikes.

nkata said:
Prime Minister David Cameron says the strike "looks something like a damp squib", quoting reports suggesting 40% of schools are open, less than a third of the civil service is on strike and only 18 Job Centres closed.
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Ooh, unbiased source ;)

He's hardly going to say "We've dropped the ball on this and the Unions have got us by the short and curlies, we're screwed".

Oh, and just because the doors are open doesn't mean they are doing anything (as usual some will say!) :p

Anyway, it'll all be over soon when the Unions collapse by the end of next year.

Welcome to the brave new world.
 
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PermaBanned said:
Doubt it, but my parents are ;)



Because the president of an entire union isn't going to have anything better to do with their time than to reply to every email they get?

I don't see how you can have a problem with them just suggesting as such, it's not like they've actually called a strike without a vote.
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Hopefully they were the people who were arrested for carrying weapons to a march earlier today.

I'm speaking about my student union president, not the president of my workers union (which I'm not a member of anyway).
I'm quite sure that he hasn't got that much to do, and part of his remit as President would be to address students concerns and present a united front in order to get the best deal for students. Taking into consideration students views is part of that and I believe it is right for me to expect a response.

There is a strong argument that the SU should be against these protests because it undoubtably is harming students education today.
 
Ahleckz said:
You out causing trouble today Permabanned?

*Sigh* Still no response from my President, I bet if I emailed him asking about something trivial I'd get a response in minutes. SU Facebook page updated and suggesting that us students get behind the strikers and join the march. If they had looked for widespread support from the student population and held a vote or something, then I wouldn't have a problem. However, they haven't and I find it quite displeasing that they are associating all students with their views.
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Then copy in your vice chancellor, the post you had above was more than adequate.
 
platypus said:
Then copy in your vice chancellor, the post you had above was more than adequate.
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Will do, but what is the benefit of copying him in?

PermaBanned said:
Wow, that's essentially a 'your mom' dig. Mature ;)
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No it wasn't. I don't understand why your parents, and you, think it's right for them to go out and cause trouble. It undermines any protest and makes them look like idiots. The right thing to happen would be for them to get detained so their childish revolutionary nonsense doesn't blight a otherwise legal and proper (though I disagree with it) protest.
 
I am not clue up on any of the ins and outs of unions, public pensions and strike actions. However, how is this legal? Is it legal because they are in a union? Will these people taking an AWOL day off not in effect be in gross misconduct? or dock a day's pay?

If strikes are that powerful then why don't they ask for £1million each salary or else they are not working ever again? Since isn't it their basis that they can't all be sacked?

Or is it because as long as they have public support, they can continue to strike? and they are asking as much as they can get without being looked too greedy from the outside?
 
Raymond Lin said:
I am not clue up on any of the ins and outs of unions, public pensions and strike actions. However, how is this legal? Is it legal because they are in a union? Will these people taking an AWOL day off not in effect be in gross misconduct? or dock a day's pay?

If strikes are that powerful then why don't they ask for £1million each salary or else they are not working ever again? Since isn't it their basis that they can't all be sacked?

Or is it because as long as they have public support, they can continue to strike? and they are asking as much as they can get without being looked too greedy from the outside?
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I believe you don't get paid when out on strike. Also withdrawal of labour is legal in this country if the correct balloting processes has been followed
 
Raymond Lin said:
I am not clue up on any of the ins and outs of unions, public pensions and strike actions.
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No obviously not.

In summary, industrial action is legal if the following conditions are met:-

1: The dispute is a trade dispute between workers and their own employer
2: A secret postal ballot has been held and the majority of members voting have supported the action
3: Detailed notice about the action has been given to the employer at least seven days before it commences
4: It has been called for by someone in the trade union with proper authority
 
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Sent a slightly better worded email to my SU President, and the vice Chancellor (who happens to be the Principal also) detailing my concerns with the action of the SU President and the abuse of his role. Quoted parts of the Constitution where I feel his actions have breached it. If my concerns are upheld, I've called for action to put them right.

I used my university email account, rather than my gmail account last night, this time so maybe that will elicit a slightly stronger reaction.

Will be interesting to see what they say. Currently though, they are away clogging up streets and suggesting that they represent the student body.

amigafan2003 said:
No obviously not.

In summary, industrial action is legal if the following conditions are met:-

2: A secret postal ballot has been held and the majority of members voting have supported the action
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Turnout was ~40%, no?
 
Ahleckz said:
Turnout was ~40%, no?
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Reading comprehension fail.

The test is "majority of members voting" NOT "majority of members".

The test, as it currently stands in law (although I expect that to be changed soon) was met.
 
Ahleckz said:
No it wasn't. I don't understand why your parents, and you, think it's right for them to go out and cause trouble. It undermines any protest and makes them look like idiots. The right thing to happen would be for them to get detained so their childish revolutionary nonsense doesn't blight a otherwise legal and proper (though I disagree with it) protest.
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Oh, i see. You're taking the term 'cause trouble' literally :p
 
j0s said:
Sky news have the support at 71% in favour
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I would let those who support the strikes pay a voluntary higher rate of tax to pay for the public sector pensions then, and the rest of us can stay as we are.

And then let's see how long their support lasts. Socialists - they want it all but they want other people to pay for it.
 
PermaBanned said:
Oh, i see. You're taking the term 'cause trouble' literally :p
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How else am I meant to take it? If you don't want people to confuse things, then detail them in a coherent enough manner. Don't just make comments that say one thing and then suggest that they don't mean that at all. :rolleyes:
 
nkata said:
Prime Minister David Cameron says the strike "looks something like a damp squib", quoting reports suggesting 40% of schools are open, less than a third of the civil service is on strike and only 18 Job Centres closed.
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hes also talking **** he's hardly going to say they have got us by the balls is he

was funny he had to resort to name calling at PMQs today, fingers crossed the government will implode before long
 
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