3090 for £600

[arknor]

its collected automatically at random periods of time depending on what game you fire up. I saw it recently when I fired up 3DMark. You can trigger it going to Run and then type steam://takesurvey/1/ or steam://takesurvey/2/ etc etc

then you probably never fired up 3dmark through steam before or thats the first timeit triggered.

you can only force it with the links once then they don't work.

there's 4 different links total.

I haven't seen a survey in 10 years

 

[varkanoid]

then you probably never fired up 3dmark through steam before or thats the first timeit triggered.

you can only force it with the links once then they don't work.

there's 4 different links total.

I haven't seen a survey in 10 years

I've run 3dMark plenty of times thank you another statement without any backing. It can also be triggered if your game updates or the hardware in your computer changes.
I`m going to leave this there its not really important to continue.

 

[arknor]

dood I literally just changed my whole PC and n one of the links do anything, its a crap sample size end of.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I've run 3dMark plenty of times thank you another statement without any backing. It can also be triggered if your game updates or the hardware in your computer changes.

I'm assuming you are saying that hardware changes will trigger the steam survey. When I upgraded my system with a new CPU and mobo, back in 2020 I got the steam survey very soon after I did the upgrade. Since then I have added more RAM, a new monitor and recently a new CPU and I haven't got the survey since then. So i think there is more to it.

Though I agree, I think the steam survey is far more accurate than people give it credit for, assuming it is based on a random sample.

 

[xPETEZx]

dood I literally just changed my whole PC and n one of the links do anything, its a crap sample size end of.

What evidence do you have to support any of this? The fact you personally haven't had a survey? "end of"

Over the last few years I have probably had at least 4 or 5 surveys on different PCs. Not sure what triggers it, but had one on my rig in sig, and even my work laptop when I had steam on that briefly.

I see no reason to distrust the Steam survey. Especially not somebody providing no evidence to back it up, and signs of with "end of" like that means anything.

With such a huge install base, and with proper random sampling setup Im fairly sure the survey paints an accurate picture.

What possible interst would Steam have to somehow skew the survey in any direction?

 

[Alan McFall]

What evidence do you have to support any of this? The fact you personally haven't had a survey? "end of"

Over the last few years I have probably had at least 4 or 5 surveys on different PCs. Not sure what triggers it, but had one on my rig in sig, and even my work laptop when I had steam on that briefly.

I see no reason to distrust the Steam survey. Especially not somebody providing no evidence to back it up, and signs of with "end of" like that means anything.

With such a huge install base, and with proper random sampling setup Im fairly sure the survey paints an accurate picture.

What possible interst would Steam have to somehow skew the survey in any direction?

I had a survey when I put my new GPU aswell, maybe you opted out at some point @arknor

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Steam Hardware & Software Survey: June 2022 (30+ Million users)
66% @ 1080p
10% @ 1440p

Steam stats aren't helpful here because:
- you can't cross reference the display format with other components like high end GPUs
- PC gamers often have multiple monitors and game on the best one
- people have laptops which immediately excludes them from high-end due to their mobile variants

 

[xPETEZx]

Steam stats aren't helpful here because:
- you can't cross reference the display format with other components like high end GPUs
- PC gamers often have multiple monitors and game on the best one
- people have laptops which immediately excludes them from high-end due to their mobile variants

Did you even look at the survey?
IT clearly says "Primary monitor resolution"

How does a laptop exclude them from being high-end? While a RTX3080Ti Mobile isnt as fast a desktop variant, its still going to be a very fast and powerful GPU. IT will still be faster than many desktop GPUs that came before and where considered high end.

I don't get this trying to discredit the steam hardware survey? Its one of the best resources out there to get an actual look at what kind systems people actually use to play games.
Forums like this and other enthusiast channels for discussion tend to be skewed very heavily towards high-end hardware, that is not reflective of the actual population of gamers as a whole.

While people keep throwing stones at the steam survey... please do provide some evidence for your claims.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Did you even look at the survey?
IT clearly says "Primary monitor resolution"

How does a laptop exclude them from being high-end? While a RTX3080Ti Mobile isnt as fast a desktop variant, its still going to be a very fast and powerful GPU. IT will still be faster than many desktop GPUs that came before and where considered high end.

I don't get this trying to discredit the steam hardware survey? Its one of the best resources out there to get an actual look at what kind systems people actually use to play games.
Forums like this and other enthusiast channels for discussion tend to be skewed very heavily towards high-end hardware, that is not reflective of the actual population of gamers as a whole.

While people keep throwing stones at the steam survey... please do provide some evidence for your claims.

I throw stones at the mis-use of the survey not the survey itself, plus this is not a court of law I have no desire to supply evidence just use common sense.

You all have manner of issues in this case:
- I don't think I have ever seen a laptop with a 3080 mobile gpu come with a 1080p display, there maybe some but I don't think that is the norm
- 3080 mobile losses something 40-50% of its performance compared to the discrete cards, that puts it in the 2080 territory itself no better than a 1080Ti which was high-end once upon a time like 4yrs ago you can't claim that is high-end now you're living in the past if you truly think that
- You still have the problem of correlating the display data with high-end hardware
- high end hardware itself is a subjective term as proven by your comment on the mobile stuff which I think is flat out wrong, but others may agree/disagree. For me you have to be in a top tier performance bracket full stop, age or platform doesn't come into it raw performance and capability does
- Primary display does not have to be your gaming display, mine isn't. It's just a Windows setting... though granted probably most people do have it setup that way but again that is an assumption

I'm standing by the point that people with high-end gaming hardware do not game at 1080p any more bar the edge case of competitive eSports, but there are always edge cases. The Steam survey has neither helped nor hindered that position because the data we see doesn't answer the question it simply says 1080p is prevalent without any context.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

What is it about this thread that gets people arguing?

 

[arknor]

What is it about this thread that gets people arguing?

the fact we cant get a 3090 for 600$