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3090 for £600

Trickle said:
It won't. But what about it in a scenario where a £550 4070 is putting out;
  • 20% faster @1080
  • 10% faster at 2K and although a bit slower at 4k raster...
  • 15% faster for DLS (upscaled) RTX @ 4K.

If you think its going to be still worth £600 come Jan, you had best hope there is an army of Maya users (not the type to go 2nd hand tbh [unless students]) are waiting to pick up 24gb cards.
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Even if that comes true the 3090 will still have more VRAM which will give it an advantage in some scenarios, DLSS vNew will be backward compatible for sure so the 3090 will get it as well. Anyone still claiming to be a PC gamer getting high-end hardware to use on 1080p needs their head examining.

Most importantly though is if a £50 loss in value concerns you deeply over a 6month period or 10% perf here or there is the difference between success and disaster... you really ought to be taking time out from PC hardware. Those sorts of variances are trivial.

The real risk is hardware failure and being left with an expensive problem, that could be an issue or it might not the point is to make sure you are aware as the buyer after that the risk appetite is yours to take or not as you see fit imho. Personally I wouldn't do it but everyone has their inflection point.
 
BigBANGtheory said:
Even if that comes true the 3090 will still have more VRAM which will give it an advantage in some scenarios, DLSS vNew will be backward compatible for sure so the 3090 will get it as well. Anyone still claiming to be a PC gamer getting high-end hardware to use on 1080p needs their head examining.

Most importantly though is if a £50 loss in value concerns you deeply over a 6month period or 10% perf here or there is the difference between success and disaster... you really ought to be taking time out from PC hardware. Those sorts of variances are trivial.

The real risk is hardware failure and being left with an expensive problem, that could be an issue or it might not the point is to make sure you are aware as the buyer after that the risk appetite is yours to take or not as you see fit imho. Personally I wouldn't do it but everyone has their inflection point.
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Ummm there are far more gamers using high refresh 1440p monitors to be fair, and yes, they will all rather have the faster card overall, add to that much much faster ray tracing, longer lasting drivers and a new 3 year warranty, for less?, no brainer mate.
 
BigBANGtheory said:
Most importantly though is if a £50 loss in value concerns you deeply over a 6month period or 10% perf here or there...
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I think the OP got a bargain. When I picked up an FE3090 last summer I assumed a £700 2nd hand value by Sept 22 with a normal 40% performance increase. I didn't think Nvidia would go 4nm rather than 5nm. I decided I didn't want to wait a year to move from 12gb to 24 for rendering as I was having to drop to CPU too often.
 
Trickle said:
I think the OP got a bargain. When I picked up an FE3090 last summer I assumed a £700 2nd hand value by Sept 22 with a normal 40% performance increase. I didn't think Nvidia would go 4nm rather than 5nm. I decided I didn't want to wait a year to move from 12gb to 24 for rendering as I was having to drop to CPU too often.
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Yes, 2 year old tech, about to be replaced by faster, cheaper tech, all while being used with less warranty, all the for low low price of £600......bargain indeed.
 
Sgt_Major said:
Ummm there are far more gamers using high refresh 1440p monitors
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Steam Hardware & Software Survey: June 2022 (30+ Million users)
66% @ 1080p
10% @ 1440p

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Is a 2080Ti technically still classed as high-end?

That’s what my kids have been using for 1080P for the past two years as a hand me down.

I know, I know, I’ve offered to get them a 1440P monitor but they’re not interested.
 
The steam data survey is useless for this discussion as most users there are esports/ecafe type which is why it skews so heavily towards lower-end &/v much older hardware. Buying a higher-end (x060 & up) new card is not a demographic that has available data anywhere (except at NV/AMD's offices ofc).
 
Sgt_Major said:
Totally misunderstaning my point, but carry on.....
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enligthen us o grumpy one. :D

Poneros said:
The steam data survey is useless for this discussion as most users there are esports/ecafe type which is why it skews so heavily towards lower-end &/v much older hardware. Buying a higher-end (x060 & up) new card is not a demographic that has available data anywhere (except at NV/AMD's offices ofc).
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I dont think most of the 30 million users are esports/ecafe type what is this based on ? Its not useless for the discussion there will still be more general users than esports competitors or ecafe's if you think about. Have a look at https://www.gwi.com/ download the report and look at section 5 ref Esports. Also whats amusing is it says the greatest number of new gamers since 2008 is the 50+ age bracket or grandparents !
 
varkanoid said:
enligthen us o grumpy one. :D



I dont think most of the 30 million users are esports/ecafe type what is this based on ? Its not useless for the discussion there will still be more general users than esports competitors or ecafe's if you think about. Have a look at https://www.gwi.com/ download the report and look at section 5 ref Esports. Also whats amusing is it says the greatest number of new gamers since 2008 is the 50+ age bracket or grandparents !
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Just look through game data & game sales. If you look at AAA vs rest, it's clear which dominates. Not to mention how a lot of the userbase is from BRICS & co. countries, which necessarily skews lower/older parts. In fact it's the case (re game choices) also for console players, and those already have the hardware they need so no risk of biasing towards certain hw purchases.

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Steam Charts

Top selling and top played games across Steam
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Regarding the `cheap` 3090`s on the bay of e etc is there any truth that the GDDR6X VRAM performance degrades if the machine is under load 24/7 as in mining ?? I read it did but you know `pinches of salt` and so on ;) I`d half expect crusty thermal paste / pads but memory degradation . not a clue.
 
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duc999 said:
Regarding the `cheap` 3090`s on the bay of e etc is there any truth that the GDDR6X VRAM performance degrades if the machine is under load 24/7 as in mining ?? I read it did but you know `pinches of salt` and so on ;) I`d half expect crusty thermal paste / pads but memory degradation . not a clue.
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I don't think there has been any solid testing done to conclude if it is true.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
I don't think there has been any solid testing done to conclude if it is true.
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I dont think its continuous heat that kills it, its heat cycles that kills it. The constant heat up and cool down makes more sense to cause degradation over time.
 
Jay85 said:
I dont think its continuous heat that kills it, its heat cycles that kills it. The constant heat up and cool down makes more sense to cause degradation over time.
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I think continuous high heat can cause degradation as well as the heat cycles. The issue with the 3090 being you have the 12GB that are on the back and are passively cooled.

Side note, I have heard that electrical circuits can degrade their ability to carry electrical current. Though that relates to voltage going through the circuit.
 
arknor said:
steam hardware surveys are a poor sample of reality.
since you can't retake them the survey, you never get offered to redo the survey.

anyway whos had a steam account for any length of time probably hasn't done a survey in years
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To say its a poor sample of reality without coming up with proof though its like saying 25 million people only have salt on their chips and not vinegar. I`m not having a go per se but its just in your opinion. I have no basis to believe it or not either but they wouldnt produce it if it wasnt accurate to some degree. Personally I think its more accurate than some people believe. This is an enthusiasts forum and there will be more high end rigs on here than in general but dont forget there are a lot more people who buy off the shelf with bog standard kit inside and dont know the difference between RAM and a GPU.

its collected automatically at random periods of time depending on what game you fire up. I saw it recently when I fired up 3DMark. You can trigger it going to Run and then type steam://takesurvey/1/ or steam://takesurvey/2/ etc etc
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
I think continuous high heat can cause degradation as well as the heat cycles. The issue with the 3090 being you have the 12GB that are on the back and are passively cooled.

Side note, I have heard that electrical circuits can degrade their ability to carry electrical current. Though that relates to voltage going through the circuit.
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Yeah like when you're overclocking, i can see the logic in that degrading circuitry.
 
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