30D screen VS 20D screen

rG-tom · 10 Oct 2006 at 07:41

Hey,

Won't go into details as it's not all clean cut as of yet, but I've got a 30D as a replacement for my 20D (whether it needs replacing now is what isn't clear cut) and the one thing that has struck me, is how much better a decent sized screen is!

(both with the same cr2 file from my chester zoo visit)

Sums it up quite nicely (excuse the quality, taken with my sisters Nikon 5600 P&S in a dark room)

Should make a nice difference. Why has it taken this long for manufacturers to include decent sized screens?

Beepcake · 10 Oct 2006 at 08:33

Because they are completely pointless and encourage chimping?

The only time my screen gets switched on is to change custom functions or from time to time too look at a histogram.

SDK^ · 10 Oct 2006 at 08:37

No need to rub it in :rolleyes:

I bet that direct print button gets used a lot

rG-tom · 10 Oct 2006 at 09:04

Beepcake said:
Because they are completely pointless and encourage chimping? The only time my screen gets switched on is to change custom functions or from time to time too look at a histogram.

pfft i use my screen almost constantly to see how the exposure is coming out (both histogram and to see how my flash/ambient mix is coming out)

Beepcake · 10 Oct 2006 at 09:24

rG-tom said:
pfft i use my screen almost constantly to see how the exposure is coming out (both histogram and to see how my flash/ambient mix is coming out)

Sounds like the excuses of a seasoned chimper to me

Mr_Sukebe · 10 Oct 2006 at 09:37

Looks like a good way to burn out the batteries even faster.
Nothing like marketing teams improving the product.

rG-tom · 10 Oct 2006 at 09:39

Mr_Sukebe said:
Looks like a good way to burn out the batteries even faster.
Nothing like marketing teams improving the product.

i dunno, 1100 shots from a single battery and replacements at six quid a pop from the bay, i dont think it's a huge issue....

cyKey · 10 Oct 2006 at 10:18

rG-tom said:
i dunno, 1100 shots from a single battery and replacements at six quid a pop from the bay, i dont think it's a huge issue....

Indeed. The same batteries I used on my 10D last far longer on my 30D.

SDK^ · 10 Oct 2006 at 10:46

cyKey said:
Indeed. The same batteries I used on my 10D last far longer on my 30D.

That's the difference between DIGIC I (10D) and DIGIC II (20D and 30D)

Beepcake · 10 Oct 2006 at 10:48

cyKey said:
Indeed. The same batteries I used on my 10D last far longer on my 30D.

Yeah, the post war cameras are much better

morgan · 10 Oct 2006 at 10:55

Beepcake said:
Sounds like the excuses of a seasoned chimper to me

since when is it a crime to use the tools you are given. The histogram is one of the most important tools to hand these days. I use a light meter for some of my work and I still check with the histogram if I am taking a series of shots. Its priceless.

Looking at the lcd doesnt make you an bad photographer, it helps to learn and understand light. crap shots make you an bad photographer.

Beepcake · 10 Oct 2006 at 11:06

morgan said:
since when is it a crime to use the tools you are given. The histogram is one of the most important tools to hand these days. I use a light meter for some of my work and I still check with the histogram if I am taking a series of shots. Its priceless.

Looking at the lcd doesnt make you an bad photographer, it helps to learn and understand light. crap shots make you an bad photographer.

Ok, firstly, chill.. I'm winding him up.. surely that's obvious to anyone with half a brain? Secondly I stated quite clearly I use mine for the histogram. Thirdly, can you explain why a larger screen is a benefit if you are only using the histogram? And finally, crap shots do NOT make a bad photographer, failing to learn from your bad shots does.

Johnny|lucidcomposure · 10 Oct 2006 at 11:45

It does make a hell of a difference. the screen size is gorgeous on the 30D. I remember looking at a 5D thinking "thast it. I cant look at my screen anymore! when I had a 20D"

Its nice to have a big LCD yes but I would rather have a larger viewfinder anyday over a bigger lcd. Hense a push for yet another camera.

morgan · 10 Oct 2006 at 11:53

Beepcake said:
Ok, firstly, chill.. I'm winding him up.. surely that's obvious to anyone with half a brain? Secondly I stated quite clearly I use mine for the histogram. Thirdly, can you explain why a larger screen is a benefit if you are only using the histogram? And finally, crap shots do NOT make a bad photographer, failing to learn from your bad shots does.

you made the 'joke' twice...therefore I took it as your outlook on the topic...pretty good judgement?

Larger screen is easier to view the histogram and now on these larger screens they have also thrown in a rgb histogram too.

my point is that 'chimping' is not a crime. If it helps your shots and learning curve do it. trusting the in camera metering is often a risky business for some scenarios so using the lcd reduces the risk.

nomore · 10 Oct 2006 at 18:22

I recently got a 30D to complement my 10D.

Although the screen is bigger, images look worse on the 30D. For some reason, Canon decide not to show images at full resolution. When you zoom in, the camera starts to interpolate a low-resolution version of the photo. One of the advantages of a screen surely is to check focus in addition to exposure.

olv · 10 Oct 2006 at 20:59

i'd love the speed and screen size of a 30d over my 10d. will wait for the 40d though i reckon.

whilst on the subject of histograms, anyone got a link that explains it as i can say i've honestly never used it and know what it is telling me

SDK^ · 10 Oct 2006 at 21:46

olv said:
whilst on the subject of histograms, anyone got a link that explains it as i can say i've honestly never used it and know what it is telling me

This should help

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/understanding-histograms.shtml

Sysagent · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:17

Beepcake said:
Because they are completely pointless and encourage chimping? The only time my screen gets switched on is to change custom functions or from time to time too look at a histogram.

What a load of elitist bullsh1t....

Even seasoned Professional photographers will look at their screens on DSLR's to check the shot / histogram for issues.

It's akin to them doing a quick polaroid shot on a full format / medium format camera to check the image that is coming out is ok for exposure, focus, etc and what they are reading on the light meter is translating to the photo.

morgan · 11 Oct 2006 at 12:20

Sysagent said:
What a load of elitist bullsh1t....

Even seasoned Professional photographers will look at their screens on DSLR's to check the shot / histogram for issues.

It's akin to them doing a quick polaroid shot on a full format / medium format camera to check the image that is coming out is ok for exposure, focus, etc and what they are reading on the light meter is translating to the photo.

kind of like the argument that only amatuers should use raw as if you were any good you'd kinow what you are doing and shoot jpeg straight.

if the tools are there, and its better for you and a client then use them.

skankmaster · 11 Oct 2006 at 19:01

Looking at the original posters pictures - the bigger screen looks appealing. A few years ago, we accepted 15" lcds monitors - these days, we'd scream if it wasnt at least 19". From a consumer point of view, for similar money, id have the one with a bigger screen, as at the end of the day, the camera gets passed around a group of friends who want to see how photogenic they are!

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