The only thing that should be withdrawn is that rather demeaning example you set up there in case 2. That will be you one day, bar some unfortunate accident or event, and I hope society offers you more compassion and understanding than you seem able to afford others.
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The only thing that should be withdrawn is that rather demeaning example you set up there in case 2. That will be you one day, bar some unfortunate accident or event, and I hope society offers you more compassion and understanding than you seem able to afford others.
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I've just watched the Panorama programme and it was disgusting.
I actually know the Stoke On Trent woman with osteoporosis and all I can say is she is a bloody good actor if she isn't really ill.
I actually know the Stoke On Trent woman with osteoporosis and all I can say is she is a bloody good actor if she isn't really ill.
Why should some mental issue that leaves her frightened to leave the house mean that the rest of us should fund her existence... she's your wife surely your responsibility to look after. I realise it sounds harsh but I don't see why I or other tax payers should be funding people like that - IMO if its not critical illness or a severe physical disability then jog on... While I'll have sympathy for someone with mental conditions like that I don't believe its something the rest of us need pay for.
Not forgetting the moment you earn over £100/week, you lose the carer allowance anyway.It's not even a sliding scale, earn £95/week, receive £50ish/week carer allowance, earn £105/week, receive nothing.
Working 16 hours/week earning anything over NMW will put you over the earning threshold to receive a carer payment.
It doesn't sound like you have any real sympathy regardless.
I was going to say exactly the same thing.
It does sound harsh because it is harsh. It also demonstrates a remarkable ignorance and total lack of empathy. Sounds like the lady had a very poor situation to deal with that would cause anxiety to anyone and with that on top of underlying medical problems it's hardly difficult to see how such thoughts may come about.
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Have you ever thought about applying for a job in the DWP? sounds like you'd fit in great.
Walk a mile in my shoes and then come back to me. Nothing would make us happier that for me to to full time in my job and support my wife, but when she has 1 to 2 medical appointments in most weeks and needs me to take her there its an impossible task.
Instead of having a go at genuine people, take your immature and ill thought out anger out on say the junkies who made the choice to pour crap into their bodies or the alcoholics who again made the choice to drink.
My wife had no choice in the manner of any of her illnesses and she would gladly be rid of them all and be back to work like she did for 31 years straight without any form of benefit help.
And I pay tax as well !
Oh and BTW she also suffers from
- Osteopenia.
- Disc Lesions at L3 & L5.
- Bulging Disc (x2)
- Narrowing of the spinal canal.
- Hyperthyroidism.
- Irregular Heartbeat.
- Deaf (80% loss in both ears) - only came on in the last two years. Try and live with that when you've been used to hearing all your life.
- B12 Deficiency.
- Pernicious Anemia.
She also suffered from a Coxsackie B infection which never truly leaves you.
Why I'm justified this to you I have no idea, perhaps It's something I have had to grow accustomed to in this distrusting and uncaring age.
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That's great etc... all I'm saying is why should I or other tax payers have to fund her existence. Severe physical disability or critical illness is one thing, mental conditions and or less serious medical issues/disabilities - I've already said I can sympathise with the person but not to the point where I believe the rest of us owe them an income.
Lots if people seem to want handouts and IMO we are paying out to far to high a % of the population - while I'm sure some will struggle a bit with work that's just life... I'm quite glad the government is cracking down on the benefits system and hope it continues.
Lots if people seem to want handouts and IMO we are paying out to far to high a % of the population - while I'm sure some will struggle a bit with work that's just life... I'm quite glad the government is cracking down on the benefits system and hope it continues.
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It is interesting to watch some posters on here consistently post drivel like that then over time as their life changes you then see a different thread started. The rage thread about how the system let them down in their hour of need. I would say there is a wonderful schadenfreude to it all but there is nothing wonderful about it at all and unfortunately no empathy is gained through the whole procedure just an unnecessary amount of uncontrolled and illogical hate and/or ignorance. And that is how we end up with the likes of dolph.
Nice caring attitude there. Let's hope you never have some life-altering condition that requires you to be supported.
And who are you to judge what is a serious enough condition for someone to receive support from the state? Mental health issues can be just as debilitating as physical disabilities. Would you feel the same if someone dear to you had such severe mental health issues that they couldn't function normally from day to day? And a response of "I'd support them myself without any state intervention" is not valid as many people don't have the resources to do that.
I have an autistic son who requires extra support to live a normal life. Since that's a mental health issue, should he also be deprived of state support?
OK read my edited post.
Are you married, children etc?
What would you do if you developed a mental illness, how would you deal with it?
I'm just putting across my opinion - there are far too many people claiming these benefits and yes for minor disabilities/mental conditions I don't think they should be written off/given handouts. I realise I'm not in the majority as this thread is no doubt going to attract people currently annoyed at the govts policy but the reality is its not sustainable. While I'm sure it's great to have empathy with all conditions no matter how minor and assume it can all be paid for with magic beans but the amount we spend on benefits in this country simply isn't sustainable - the line needs to be drawn somewhere.
I agree in the main that benefits are being paid out to those who probably don't need it but that does not mean those who do should not get the benefits they need.
Which is all great and all until you look at what happens. People with for example cancer were automatically placed on this particular benefit until recent designs. Now using a layman's knowledge do you think the chance of success from radiotherapy and chemotherapy is going to be enhanced when this burden is added to that group. I suspect you'd assume correctly that removing rest and increasing stress will reduced the chance of a good outcome in any disease process. Do you then think that cost to the NHS is going to be quite significantly more than this particular benefit costs. That's the equation people like yourself are conveniently ignoring. Your will end up costing everyone more. Yes there are people cheating the system that is because the test is so poor - you can go in with quite profound neurological conditions and get nowt but you can go in call the Atos employee a **** get in their face sit down and proceed to play with yourself and instantly get the required points to pass the test. You don't judge the effect of a condition that will effect someone 24/7 365 days per year on a few pieces of paper and a quick chat with leading questions all to a hidden performance target.
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i do not believe anxiety should be considered eligible for DLA , nor should alchohol dependencies yet they are.
both cases are treatable and manageable and this is what should happen
there are also mental disabilities which should be taken into account yet they arent.
i am classed as having a mental disability yet obtaining DLA because of that would be nearly impossible.
when a claimant is processed it is not the disability that decides wether its accepted or the rate they get , its how the disability effects the person.
someone with an achohol dependancy will find it far easier to be awarded DLA than someone who is wheel chair bound
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Of course you are entitled to your opinion but many also overlook the fact that a lot of dissabled people are cared for by relatives who not only find it mentally draining and upsetting to hear remarks like you made earlier but also save this country a small fortune in care costs. Really my friend unless you fully understand the devastating effects a dissability can have on a person be it mental or physical then i'd just think a little more before posting.
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Well if that is your criteria then the only people that would get anything are people about to die ...
your trying to tell me anxiety and alcohol dependancy should be long term illness?
there are plenty of cases i can think of where people deserve DLA but they arent about "to die"
anxiety and alcoholics arent one of them.