3200+ Barton V's Pentium D 805

Ice Tea · 31 Aug 2006 at 11:13

Anybody upgraded from a Socket A 3200+ to a Pentium D 805
ifso what did you think of the 805 at stock volts and clock over
the socket A chip. ?

Thanks

neocon · 31 Aug 2006 at 14:08

Find an extra £50 and get a Core2 E6300, you won't regret it.

iViper · 31 Aug 2006 at 15:08

Seconded.

Lan · 31 Aug 2006 at 19:17

iViper @ iseriouslyrich wow nice rig dude

iViper · 31 Aug 2006 at 19:34

Cheers

UKTopGun · 31 Aug 2006 at 19:43

Super system but cruddy ram, interesting

Go Conroe if your moving to a new platform.

ajgoodfellow · 2 Sep 2006 at 14:43

A move from an XP 3200+ to a PD 805 at stock (2.66GHz) will be a hefty downgrade unless you use a lot of multithreaded applications or heavily multitask

If you're upgrading on a budget go Socket 939 as the prices have recently been slashed. Something like the X2 3800+ is cheap, a fair bit quicker than the PD 805 at stock and a great overclocker. You should be able to use your existing memory too

Defcon5 · 2 Sep 2006 at 20:55

UKTopGun said:
Super system but cruddy ram, interesting

Thats what i was thinking!

hotdog · 3 Sep 2006 at 09:50

It depends what you do on your computer. Dont underestimate the XP3200, it is a solid chip. I massively upgraded and for the money i dont see a lot of differance. Forget benchmarks etc... Loading, running apps and using the net i dont see lots of difference - honest

I know everyone will slate me on this, however it is my opinion. However 12 months down the line i may see some better results when apps are made to cater for dualcore, however by then my pc will be a dinosaur. Quadcore will most probably be out and we will be talking about 16core over two cpu's most probably

AMD will most prob call it CROSS_CPU_FIRE LOL

Buy that gainward mega agp card, lots of ram, a raptor and you will be fine!

t31os · 3 Sep 2006 at 09:53

Depends what you use the PC for, which aps, games, etc...... My venice system definately puts my old Athlon XP 3000 system to shame.

lay-z-boy · 3 Sep 2006 at 14:54

hotdog said:
It depends what you do on your computer. Dont underestimate the XP3200, it is a solid chip. I massively upgraded and for the money i dont see a lot of differance. Forget benchmarks etc... Loading, running apps and using the net i dont see lots of difference - honest

Well no wonder, none of those are system intensive, are they?

surfing the net doesnt need sli or dual core.
And the only way to make an app load faster is to get a physically faster rotating drive (or perp) or a £400 raid card with decent drives.

To the op:
The xp is a very fast chip and will most lightly beat the 805 at single core stuff, throw in some multi threaded apps and the 805 will come out on top.
As neocon said, the 6300 is much faster/cooler than both, you will not regret it.

Arthalen · 4 Sep 2006 at 10:58

I beg to differ.

The PenD 805 is a very capable chip - I went looking for a comparison to 'back up' this viewpoint, this was the closest I can get:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/cpu/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=449&model2=499&chart=174

The Winchester 3200 should be atleast on par with the Barton 3200 if not beat it due to the better, integrated memory controller. Shot for shot the 805 beats it in most of the CPU comparisons.

*HOWEVER* In personal usage, I would definitly recommend OC this sucker to get the best out of it.

Not to mention the benefits of Dual Core: Smoother, faster windows in General was a big plus for me - I hate 100% CPU time stuttering, and dual core goes a massive way to preventing that.

However, @OP - You have two choices - save the £50 and invest in a better 965/975 board to go Conroe later, or get Conroe now. It's down to your budget really.

If it was me personally, and I was budget restricted, I'd clock the **** out of an 805

ajgoodfellow · 4 Sep 2006 at 11:44

Arthalen said:
I beg to differ.

The PenD 805 is a very capable chip - I went looking for a comparison to 'back up' this viewpoint, this was the closest I can get:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/cpu/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=449&model2=499&chart=174

The Winchester 3200 should be atleast on par with the Barton 3200 if not beat it due to the better, integrated memory controller. Shot for shot the 805 beats it in most of the CPU comparisons.

*HOWEVER* In personal usage, I would definitly recommend OC this sucker to get the best out of it.

Not to mention the benefits of Dual Core: Smoother, faster windows in General was a big plus for me - I hate 100% CPU time stuttering, and dual core goes a massive way to preventing that.

However, @OP - You have two choices - save the £50 and invest in a better 965/975 board to go Conroe later, or get Conroe now. It's down to your budget really.

If it was me personally, and I was budget restricted, I'd clock the **** out of an 805

You've chosen 3D Mark 06 - a multi threaded application. Of course a dual core chip will be faster in this case - hardly a fair comparison to an A64 3200+

He's not comparing an A64 3200+ with a PD 805 - he's comparing a dual core A64, the X2 3800+ to a PD 805. Your arguments based on the PD due to it being a dual core chip are also equally as valid for the dual core A64, the X2

The X2 is faster than the PD in all benchmarks, even Intel favoured benchmarks. The PD 805 was only a good buy when it was dirt cheap and you overclocked it to 3.8-4GHz. As it is no longer cheap it is no longer a good buy

EDIT: Sorry I was thinking of another thread, the PD 805 versus the X2 3800+

I'd get the X2 3800+ over the PD any day but if you really want a PD then the dual core could help in certain situations over the single core XP

Arthalen · 4 Sep 2006 at 11:55

ajgoodfellow said:
You've chosen 3D Mark 06 - a multi threaded application. Of course a dual core chip will be faster in this case - hardly a fair comparison to an A64 3200+

He's not comparing an A64 3200+ with a PD 805 - he's comparing a dual core A64, the X2 3800+ to a PD 805. Your arguments based on the PD due to it being a dual core chip are also equally as valid for the dual core A64, the X2

The X2 is faster than the PD in all benchmarks, even Intel favoured benchmarks. The PD 805 was only a good buy when it was dirt cheap and you overclocked it to 3.8-4GHz. As it is no longer cheap it is no longer a good buy

EDIT: Sorry I was thinking of another thread, the PD 805 versus the X2 3800+

I'd get the X2 3800+ over the PD any day but if you really want a PD then the dual core could help in certain situations over the single core XP

must have been typing that edit as I hit the 'Quote' button

* First of all, I'm not trying to start an argument of AMD vs. Intel. I personally buy whatever is best value for myself at the time. On my latest rig, that was a £80 Dual core processor that could OC massively.

* Secondly, as you yourself have noted, nowhere in this thread has an X2 3800 been mentioned. I only used the Athlon64 3200 Winchester as being the closest approxiamation to the old Barton XP 3200+. I simply was trying to demonstrate that buying an 805 would not be a waste of money over the performance of a Barton 3200 and that the OP would see performance improvements in getting this chip.

* Thirdly, the 805 can still be had for £69.00 on a competitors website. The 6300 C2D retails for £121.00 on the same site. That £50 saving could be better spent on a more powerful Video card or indeed a better motherboard than what the OP has originally specced.

As I've noted before, it's all down to budget in this particular case.

ajgoodfellow · 4 Sep 2006 at 14:36

Yep, sorry as you say your post was right

UKTopGun · 4 Sep 2006 at 14:52

Arthalen said:
* Thirdly, the 805 can still be had for £69.00 on a competitors website. The 6300 C2D retails for £121.00 on the same site. That £50 saving could be better spent on a more powerful Video card or indeed a better motherboard than what the OP has originally specced.

As I've noted before, it's all down to budget in this particular case.

The E6300 slaughters the 805 though when overclocked and doesn't have all the heat problems. An E6300 @ 3.3Ghz (quite possible) would own it.

Although when it was first released it was a good buy, but now with X2's being £100 now it isn't so much.

Arthalen · 4 Sep 2006 at 14:54

UKTopGun said:
The E6300 slaughters the 805 though when overclocked and doesn't have all the heat problems. An E6300 @ 3.3Ghz (quite possible) would own it.

Although when it was first released it was a good buy, but now with X2's being £100 now it isn't so much.

I totally agree. But at (almost) twice the price, are you getting twice the performance?

UKTopGun · 4 Sep 2006 at 15:09

Arthalen said:
I totally agree. But at (almost) twice the price, are you getting twice the performance?

Yes

Arthalen · 4 Sep 2006 at 15:11

Bahh

Well, I think I'll agree to disagree here. As I've said repeatedly, this situation is down to the budget of the OP.

Ice Tea · 12 Sep 2006 at 00:17

Thanks for the feedback

I couldn't reply as i was banned from OCUK for a week.

I was wondering how the Barton compaired to the 805 in single core mode
as a 3200 real clock speed is only 2200.