[35mm 1.4] Shot a gig for the first time, a real test for camera and a learning experience for me.

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It seems weird that I've not shot a band at a gig yet considering I've been 30,000 feet in the air, sprawled miles of underground tunnels and caves, climbed snow capped mountains and then sled down with this camera so when a chance opportunity came up with a friend in a band who were performing at a sold out gig at the end of last month, I jumped right in :D

I found the stage lighting to be quite hard to work with at first. It's constantly changing in intensity and colour so AV and TV modes would seem like the sensible thing to use but I actually found full manual to be the best and after some trial and error with the band playing before them I felt happy and was ready to go.

With a press pass the advantage was that I had a walkway between the crowd and the stage to move around with although it was only about 4 foot wide so nothing special, still, it was something considering the crowd area was jam packed and people had drinks in hand etc.

The musicians were constantly moving, playing guitars and other instruments. Choosing a single AF point was a constant change and I opted for the cross group type for quite a few shots whilst others were a single spot point with servo enabled as and when needed (mapped the DOF preview button to hold servo, works brilliantly).

The Sigma had no trouble locking AF in any light or following the AF area I told it to during servo tracking. The massive and bright viewfinder meant I was able to see that focus was satisfactory at all times as well.

Overall a great learning experience especially with that kind of lighting and ambience, definitely up for doing more and seeing how things progress!

Here is a selection of the 70 odd I uploaded. I went as low as 1/60th and as high as 1/200 ranging from ISO 1000 to 2500. They are all at f/1.4.

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Even some of the crowd got involved :p
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I think the 35mm was the perfect choice for this venue anyway, the 85 would have been too long to get a good whole body comp and a wide would not have captured the drummer. A zoom would not have been fast enough either.
 
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Cheers all!
To answer a few questions,

gary996: I used manual all round yeah :)

Razor-BladE: It's a hard choice choosing processing styles with this kind of thing, as you can see some like bw while others like colour!

Logsi: It was a mix of everything really, some I felt bw worked best as the ambience suited well to the lack of colour while others had complex and distracting lighting at that second so as the picture was sound the lighting ruined the feel, I chose bw for those. The ones left in colour were where the stage lighting lenses well!

GAC: You'll love it when you do, I've said it before but going full frame and prime really makes you change the way you shoot, for the good of course.

nolimit: Glad you mentioned this! I have a bw preset that I apply and fine tune which works well with this kind of setting.

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Here's an example of the complex lighting where BW really made the image and gave the atmosphere:
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if im lucky maybe by the end of the year, IF i can get making money that is.

Think the 5D3 has a very long time left of service so it will still be kicking butt then as a new body :D

No 16is epic! Great set of shots though

I'm undecided on a favourite but 16 is definitely in the top 5 hehe.
 
very impressive work

Nice - love #3

Thanks :)

Out of curiosity, when you were doing this shoot did you find you had to wait for the performer to get back into a position you spotted earlier, or have you preset your exposure for different areas of the stage? The reason I ask is that I've done a fair bit of gig photography in the last 6 months, but annoyingly the lighting has been different each time I've been out and it changes through the event.

The music being played has affected the way I take photos too. Some short songs, high paced jumping around, quickly going to slower paced stuff. To be honest I'm still not 100% comfortable using manual and usually use aperture priority as I'm getting more time to get the shot I want that way. VERY occasionally in stable lighting I find I have the time to take some manual shots.

Also, I'd like to be on an area as large as the one you were in this shoot. It's a pain in the hoop trying to take photos in small pubs!

A good example of the lighting in events I've been at is that I've found that the limit ISO wise has been 5000 and can rarely drop below that due to lighting. I was annoyed at a recent event where a local paper photographer walked in with a flash that you're not allowed to use, flashing away to his hearts content.

I kind of got the idea about flash yeah, massive distraction to the performer(s)!
For this shoot though, I did a mix of both waiting for them to get back into a position I saw earlier and at the same time adapting to their movements. I had the entire length of the stage to walk around with that 4 foot barrier gap so this helped although I did feel it was small but it does seem that what I had was in fact actually good compared to what you get at other venues!

My ISO was fixed at 1000, I knew I could get silky images this way at f1.4 and just adjusted the shutter on the fly as I saw fit. The viewfinder light meter comes in handy in these situations and where the lighting changes too quickly a rough guess sufficed, some areas of OE are not a problem for the 5D3 because highlight recovery is quite impressive but the blue and red coloured spot lights used are a handful for any digital sensor really. Where these were too strong I opted to lose all colour and found a different type of ambience emerged which worked equally well.
 
Dunno if you've looked at my stuff on flickr, but the stuff I've done are the same two bands, about 5 or 6 times in total. The trouble with one is that they're a new band on the scene so only get small venues around here, and bigger ones in an area that's too far for me to go to, but the other band play most pub scenes, but due to town being a ghost town recently, the spacious venues aren't booking at the moment. This leaves me with literally about 2ft to work in, in one venue, about 10ft in a corridor alongside a small stage area which is again about 2ft wide. The other venue stopped booking all together, which was annoying as it was great as it was next to big windows and once I got the white balance sorted, was pretty decent. I'd love to go back now I've got the 5dmk3.

The major lighting issue I have, not having a flash aside, is purple/magenta/blue lighting being fired in strobe. My god that's ruined some photos for me, but I've recovered some after about 30 minutes of tweaking and others I've been forced to convert to B&W.

I do love doing it though. Each time I'm limiting myself to a different range so I can learn more about specific things. Last time I stuck within 5000ISO as it was low lighting (or dark as a swear word that would be filtered, to the layman!).

I'd give my right arm to have the option of taking photos in an event that had balanced lighting so I can control what I want to take, rather than try to take a photo by having to wait for things to change how I need them to be!

Still, I'd recommend it to anyone. It's frustrating and fun! The biggest downside is that you can't apply one style of processing to gig photography outside of a studio so processing takes a long time if you take a lot of photos! Also the biggest upside is that you don't use one style of processing :D

I have indeed seen those pictures and I can see what you mean by the size and light. Strobe lighting does seem to be a bit of a bummer for images but as you say, being forced to BW for some is really the only way to recover some of the feel and restore atmosphere - Unavoidable really for some shots.

I got lucky with this first gig, the venue is nice and they have the barrier which helps greatly, just a shame about the random lighting although this does really depend on the music being played as well I guess.

You are right though, it's a challenge and makes you see things differently and learn a new shooting style and yup, it is fun! Unlike weddings, it's a different bag altogether how you compose and shoot.

Nice work, cracking set. I love the B&W's :)

Thanks :) I know not everyone likes black and white, it seems to be considered a cop out method as opposed to using colour to others as well!
 
Using #7 as an example his face was in-line with his arm (see the hair on the rim light on his right arm). I had spot AF on his teeth as that was the quickest hit area at that moment and fired a couple of shots but he was playing and moving at the same time (I believe they call it "Rockin' it" :p) and his face moved a bit and as I was using f1.4... It's not a major issue though as it's not too obvious and I had not applied any USM either.

IR assist would not be usable especially with servo AF activated on tap. It's also a big no no, shining a bright AF pattern on someone's face?!

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^^ I agree, some look to have missed focus or are in general soft.

I like 16 and 10.

Must be very hard to shoot in such conditions, constantly changing lighting, dark, cramped, etc.

It felt like the 1st 2nd and 3rd wedding shoot all over again, new territory and still analysing everything to see how to get a shot. There simply is no way to wait and compose a shot, you have to take the shot or burst of shots when you see the chance otherwise hope it's a repeating motion that will happen again at the same part of the song in 30 seconds or something :p
 
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They're out of eyeshot though, pointing down on to him and mainly from way above or behind on the stage! My IR pattern would be directly below all their eyelines, that is a very distracting thing to have pointed at you having been in front of an AF pattern from a speedlite before.

Rule of thumb = Don't be an arse and distract the performers!
 
Oh I wasn't being an arse by saying don't be an arse - Nor was it aimed at anyone. I was merely stating what I've learnt having looked around and read around about shooting this kind of thing is not to be the arse who points bright lights in the performer's eyes :p

The screaming and arms reaching to them is their crowd anyway, they fully expect this but not a bright light in their eyes from a few feet away.
 
Oh don't get me wrong I can see what you're saying, for me though it isn't about the sharpness on any specific area but the surrounding ambience and expression on faces.

To give an example, I shot over 800 images that night but only kept just over 70, the ones which gave the feeling of being there or the atmosphere of the venue/music.

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I should also add that an image doesn't have to be sharp to work, best way I can relate that to something is the cyclist shot by Bresson which was put up as a test online anonymously and people commented on how out of focus it was and therefore not worth being posted. I'm not saying my shot is anywhere close to that kind of level by Bresson but to me it worked and certainly would not be an instant file for the rejected folder.

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Your post also made me wonder about something. It's brilliant that I've been able to see your feedback and understand where you're coming from but also stick to my guns and explain why it is there and not deleted. I think this kind of discussion improves the quality of the forum. I want to see people state their case either side because we learn from them both - Does this make sense? It makes sense in my head but I imagine it sounds odd on text lol.
 
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What settings did you use as i am planning on taking my new 50mm 1.8g to do my first band shoot with similar stage lighting?


Hi,

Mentioned earlier but: I went as low as 1/60th and as high as 1/200 ranging from ISO 1000 to 2500. They are all at f/1.4. :)

Oh , also in full manual, auto white balance, evaluative metering with spot AF and zone (cross point) selections. Servo AF was used quite a lot.
 
Haven't seen or read what the 6D is capable of with a fast focusing prime like the 35, be interested in hearing your thoughts!

I'm off to Calumet with a friend at the end of the month so will try and get a good run with various cameras/lenses and things to see what's what :D
 
Smoke machine can play havoc to your AF system yeah! Luckily the smoke machine at the gig in my op wasn't set to maximum but it was still all round although by the sounds of it, not as much as yours!
 
I notice you've seen my smoke machine photo. That thing was set to flood room setting I think :D

Ironically that was my least favourite of the lot, but I had to upload it as it was only one of two with the fiddler in it. He came back from Italy to do a 2 night gig tour. That's dedication! :D

I actually quite liked it although do admit I have yet to browse them all yet! But I did see what you meant about the smoke lol. Think the processing is what worked for me anyway.
 
It's something I'm constantly playing with. I much prefer black and white at the moment, but my main frustration is getting a clean shot in the last 3 gigs so I can actually apply it the way I want.

It's fun though :D

That reminds me, I got my mitts on some B&W presets for lightroom last night. I shall have a play later :D

Post samples if you come up with anything juicy :)

As for my inspiration for BW in settings such as this, here's an example of what I try to work by:

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Seen on the Magnum link here: http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=CMS3&VF=MAXO31_3&VBID=2K1HZOC4FMBWE&IID=2K1HRG77OFVP&PN=11

It's not sharp, but then again it's not supposed to be as that's not the focus point (no pun intended!).
 
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