3600 idling around 55c, high of 95c in Gears 5

kinger8938 · 30 Dec 2019 at 22:54

Hi All,

Just wondering if theres anything i need to do in the bios etc to make sure my CPU cooler/fans are working as they should be or if i need to consider a aftermarket cooler etc.

Ive noticed on the windows balanced power plan i get the higher idle temperature. If i change it to power saver, it idles a fair bit lower.

Mother board is a b450m Mortar Max.

1 intake 120mm fan, 1 exhaust 120mm too.

Gtx 1070.

Just checking woth core temp at the moment, resetting it and reading the max heat after a game session and it was 95c. The case felt rather warm too when i shut it down for the evening.

Any advice would be appreciated

*also noticed when idle you can hear the fan kick in, and drop off, and repeat randomly

wookiee87 · 30 Dec 2019 at 23:46

full specs of your system, using the included cooler with the cpu?

with regards to gaming the cpu should be in the mid 60's under load, if you place the cpu under synthetic load it will run quite a bit hotter but not 95 degrees, check the cooler is making proper contact and if nessesery re apply thermal paste and try again, your 1070 is it a blower or open air cooler?.

i only say with the gpu as if its a open air cooler under load will vent all it's heat into the case, which may affect cpu temps, but if your airflow in the case is good enough it should really matter.

you could head into the bios and see what rpm the cpu fan kicks in at and if nessesary change the vales so the fan spins up sooner to aid cooling.

i have a 3900x and have windows set to powersaver mode and my cpu idle sits around 48 degrees (3.5ghz) with a 92mm aio, under gaming i see 4.4 -4.5ghz boost and temps around 75 degrees mark, dont worry too much about idle temps most 3rd gen ryzens do run warmish but it nothing to worry about.

edit: the stock coolers arnt the best to be fair they work if your case has excellent airflow, otherwise they are mediocre at best, if case airflow isnt good invest in a tower cooler for better temps

Joxeon · 31 Dec 2019 at 03:01

There is some stuff you can set in bios to help,
Global C-state control > enabled
Amd cool n quiet > enabled
PPC adjustment > pstate 0
Also make sure PBO is disabled as sometimes auto can mean enabled.

Set Windows power plan to "ryzen balanced"

If your on the stock cooler it will heat up a bit but shouldn't be hitting 95 while gaming so maybe worth reseating it.

A really cheap option for a cooler is https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-wraith-max-am4-rgb-cpu-cooler-hs-002-am.html
At £13 it keeps my ryzen 5 3600 @ 30c idle 50c gaming 67c max load.

kinger8938 · 31 Dec 2019 at 08:04

Joxeon said:
There is some stuff you can set in bios to help,
Global C-state control > enabled
Amd cool n quiet > enabled
PPC adjustment > pstate 0
Also make sure PBO is disabled as sometimes auto can mean enabled.

Set Windows power plan to "ryzen balanced"

If your on the stock cooler it will heat up a bit but shouldn't be hitting 95 while gaming so maybe worth reseating it.

A really cheap option for a cooler is https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-wraith-max-am4-rgb-cpu-cooler-hs-002-am.html
At £13 it keeps my ryzen 5 3600 @ 30c idle 50c gaming 67c max load.

Thanks for those tips I shall explore the bios and see what I can find.

For some reason the AMD power plans aren't being listed in windows for me? Only the usual windows balanced, power saver or high performance ones are there.

Thanks

And I could try resisting the cpu fan. It was a bigger to install if im honest and I'd probably be best to remove the stock paste and try some aftermarket stuff too?

kinger8938 · 31 Dec 2019 at 08:36

I thought the driver package was a one and done thing but I looked deeper into the download and found the apps section and now have the amd profiles in windows. Will try that too.

Will any of these options negatively impact performance?

Running a brief Prine95 just to see how it goes. It might have been a one off random spike to 95c yesterday, core tempt doesnt give enough detail I guess

Also, any case fan settings I should change? Should I add another intake or is 1 generally ok? Not sure if they are ramping up and down as they should. I just assume they are

*after about 10 mins Prime 95 had the temp up around 95c so I stopped it there

PiKe · 31 Dec 2019 at 08:53

Does the temperature slowly climb or shoot up?

kinger8938 · 31 Dec 2019 at 08:57

PiKe said:
Does the temperature slowly climb or shoot up?

Hard to tell, I shall try again and watch it properly. I think it climbs up to it, but it held at around 70c for a good while so maybe the test put more strain on it and then it stepped up to the higher temp.

Even idle then downloading a game on steam gets it up to around 60c

I guess when gaming I'm not maxing all cores like you do in these tests. Usually it's around 25-40% load in the games I tend to play (before this much needed upgrade I was usually always at 100%)

freddie64 · 31 Dec 2019 at 09:46

What case are you using?

I have a Phanteks Pro M with 3 x 140mm fans (2 intake and 1 exhaust). The fans are set at a constant speed of ~ 750 rpm and are very quiet.

I would also suggest a aftermarket cooler. The stock cooler may work ok, but it will not be as good or as quiet as a tower cooler.

kinger8938 · 31 Dec 2019 at 10:03

freddie64 said:
What case are you using?

I have a Phanteks Pro M with 3 x 140mm fans (2 intake and 1 exhaust). The fans are set at a constant speed of ~ 750 rpm and are very quiet.

I would also suggest a aftermarket cooler. The stock cooler may work ok, but it will not be as good or as quiet as a tower cooler.

Hi there

My case is https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cool....1-micro-atx-case-black-window-ca-36r-cm.html

I may nick an old fan from my previous system just to make it 2 intake, then buy a better one to match the one I installed when I built this unit a week or so back

freddie64 · 31 Dec 2019 at 10:21

Hopefully that will help as the front of that case does look a bit restrictive.

Also it may help to remove the PCI blanking plates from the rear of the case to aid the heat from the GPU to exhaust.

Joxeon · 31 Dec 2019 at 12:28

kinger8938 said:
Thanks for those tips I shall explore the bios and see what I can find.

For some reason the AMD power plans aren't being listed in windows for me? Only the usual windows balanced, power saver or high performance ones are

You need to install the AMD chipset drivers then the ryzen plans should become available.

doyll · 31 Dec 2019 at 15:17

2x good pressure rated fans as front intakes and block any holes in fan mounting panel not covered by fans so air they are pushing into case cannot leak back in front of fans but is pushed toward back of case. Remove all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area around GPU and thus improve front to back airflow and give lower temps. Phanteks PH-F120MP 2-pack of fans is £14.99.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/two-...120mm-fan-radiator-performance-bu-002-pt.html
Other options are Arctic P12 or P12 PWM. Not as good but only £4.99 each. If using these I would get PWM version.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arctic-cooling-p12-black-case-fan-120mm-fg-04g-ar.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arctic-cooling-p12-pwm-pst-black-fan-120mm-fg-04h-ar.html

kinger8938 · 31 Dec 2019 at 18:04

What is PWM, not a clue with cooling tbh.

I have the one included with the case as the rear exhaust, then one of these at the front! So I'll probably grab another then and see if that helps too

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/akas...per-silent-120mm-fan-4-pin-pwm-fg-057-ak.html

Danny75 · 31 Dec 2019 at 18:18

kinger8938 said:
Will any of these options negatively impact performance?

Just the disabling PBO option. It won't boost quite as much. But can shave about 10C off in temps.

There's a better way to keep temps down though. Power limiting. So that you can keep PBO enabled and enjoy the boosts, while having a throttle for intensive stuff like AVX in prime etc or CPU intensive games like BFV.

Bear in mind those settings were what I settled on after experimenting with a 3700X, so the PPT, TDC, EDC limits will be different for a 3600. You could also just use the Platform Thermal Throttle Limit (which is set to 80C in pics above).

Manual overclocking (not PBO) is another option since you can try reducing the Vcore to the minimum your chip can get away with but you don't see as much temporary boosting and what works for gaming may not work for Prime/Handbrake etc.

doyll · 31 Dec 2019 at 19:09

kinger8938 said:
What is PWM, not a clue with cooling tbh.

I have the one included with the case as the rear exhaust, then one of these at the front! So I'll probably grab another then and see if that helps too

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/akas...per-silent-120mm-fan-4-pin-pwm-fg-057-ak.html

PWM is Pulse-Width Modulation of 12v power to fan motor to control it's speed instead of variable voltage. What brand and model number are the fans? Should be a sticker in middle of exhaust side of fan where motor is with that info.
The AK-FN058 is rated 2.64mm H2O at full speed so should make decent intake fan.

michty_me · 31 Dec 2019 at 19:41

Is the cooler seated correctly with aste covering the entire CPU face?

kinger8938 · 1 Jan 2020 at 10:06

michty_me said:
Is the cooler seated correctly with aste covering the entire CPU face?

Tbh this was a main concern from the start. Using the stock cooler with its preapplied paste. When I seated it, it was sliding all over the place while I was holding a bracket from the underside of the mobo trying to fix the cooler from the front. Not ideal. so probably made a bit of a mess of the paste

So I should probably remove it, and apply a better paste.

What would I need? Is it easy to do in side the build or will i need to remove the motherboard completely to make it easier? (Its been a while for me)

Drumroll · 1 Jan 2020 at 10:25

The front of the case looks like my previous Phanteks p400s. Very poor airflow.
Even the stock cooler shouldn't be that bad, but considering the possible lack of airflow, the GPU may be dumping a lot of heat around the CPU area, and the cooler is using the hot air.
I would suggest inverting the rear an to intake and see how it goes. If improves, airflow problem.

michty_me · 1 Jan 2020 at 11:29

kinger8938 said:
Tbh this was a main concern from the start. Using the stock cooler with its preapplied paste. When I seated it, it was sliding all over the place while I was holding a bracket from the underside of the mobo trying to fix the cooler from the front. Not ideal. so probably made a bit of a mess of the paste

So I should probably remove it, and apply a better paste.

What would I need? Is it easy to do in side the build or will i need to remove the motherboard completely to make it easier? (Its been a while for me)

Hmm maybe worth checking. I used Noctua NT-H2 when I applied it with my BeQuiet 4pro cooler. I think mine idles around 28-30 deg and under R15/R20 tests it hits low to mid 60's. I've never checked whilst gaming though.

kinger8938 · 1 Jan 2020 at 12:55

This post implies I may aswell just run the Windows Balanced power plan now instead of the AMD one?

https://community.amd.com/thread/244159

MrPotato said:
The front of the case looks like my previous Phanteks p400s. Very poor airflow.
Even the stock cooler shouldn't be that bad, but considering the possible lack of airflow, the GPU may be dumping a lot of heat around the CPU area, and the cooler is using the hot air.
I would suggest inverting the rear an to intake and see how it goes. If improves, airflow problem.

I do wonder how much air actually gets in due to the front panel only having small vents at the top and bottom.

If i do as you suggest though, which makes sense, I wouldnt have an exhaust fan to take the hot air out if the case?