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3600 vs 3700x for next 4-5 years?

EsaT said:
Intel's this year's max 10 core Comedy Lake is another rebranding of 2015's Skylake on 14nm+++++++.
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Because of that Intel might well end up having only relatively minor performance bump from next node even if architecture has bigger IPC jump.
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I was just going by history really, when a new architecture emerges the performance increase over the next few years can be pretty substantial while they tune it up and iron out the kinks, like after Nehalem followed by Sandy and Zen with Zen+, Zen 2.

The performance benefits so far are limited to laptops which would make sense, if they can't clock it high enough. Would be pretty disappointing if that remain true, cos it's less likely we'll see it on desktop until well after 2021. Good news for Zen 2 and 3 buyers though, since AMD wouldn't need to push to win.
 
EsaT said:
Here are the numbers:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-pci-express-scaling/6.html

Hard to see PCIe v5 being anything but another price bump pushed by marketing on desktop until many years from now.
Maybe after that its costs will be lower.
Servers are again entirely different thing with actual need for constantly higher bandwidth.
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Why are you only concentrating on GPU usage though? There are other devices that use the PCI-E bus, I/O uses the bus for disk and other peripherals, and last time I checked it wasn't just people who play games who use a desktop PC.

The ability to connect 'more' devices through the same number of lanes is also an upgrade, where you'd only be able to connect one 4x PCI-E 3.0 over a 3.0 link e.g. a PCH, 5.0 allows four devices to be connected over a single link at 4x PCI-E 5.0 all at full speed.

The price bump you talk of is something that will disappear once the whole of the OEM/server marker is on 4.0/5.0, as the costs will reduce massively. The fact Intel system are still on 3.0 is something that didn't help the 4.0 move for motherboard manufacturers soley relying on AMD products to shoulder the R&D costs in the pricing.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
It will be a few years down the line when the 3600 needs replacing. So the 3700x will be about £130 like the 1700x is now. A very cheap upgrade. You could even upgrade to the 3900X which will be cheap.

Even the 12 core 4900X should be a very cheap upgrade in 3 or 4 years.
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That's what I am waiting for seeing how far the 2700 and 2700x dropped in price after a short period of time.
 
Journey said:
Why are you only concentrating on GPU usage though? There are other devices that use the PCI-E bus, I/O uses the bus for disk and other peripherals, and last time I checked it wasn't just people who play games who use a desktop PC.
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Normal home users do as much with those super high I/O speeds as they would do with 64 core Threadripper.
There's simply increasing number of features/things where certain good enough level has been reached, after which more is excess to constantly growing number of users.
But of course marketing likes to show synthetic benchmarketing numbers to sell new things and justify price bumps.

Journey said:
The price bump you talk of is something that will disappear once the whole of the OEM/server marker is on 4.0/5.0, as the costs will reduce massively. The fact Intel system are still on 3.0 is something that didn't help the 4.0 move for motherboard manufacturers soley relying on AMD products to shoulder the R&D costs in the pricing.
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Without increasing physical construction quality of PCB PCIe v4 needs signal retimers to work for as long distances as PCIe v3.
(riser cables will be big problem)
Those aren't "one time" R&D expenses and at best will disappear only slowly.
 
It really depends how long you're keeping the chip for. For 4-5 years, R7 3700X makes more sense. I kinda regret getting that chip just because I rarely have time to do anything with my PC these days other than gaming, for which an R5 3600 would be sufficient. I might replace it with an R5 or R7 4xxx and shove the R7 3700X in my server (replacing its R7 1700), depends how Zen 3 pans out.
 
defo dont go under 8 cores with that timeframe . just look for deals the 3700 has been under 300 with game you can sell.you might even get the 3800 if you look or wait for it. as the new amd stuff comes out at end of year.
 
Rossuk89 said:
Hi there,

I usually upgrade my PC every 4-5 years. I currently have a 4690k which will be 5 years old in a few months.

I'm looking at upgrading, and the obvious budget choice is the 3600, the 3700x is about £110 more for 2 more cores and 4 more threads.

I generally just game, but I was wondering if it's worth going for the 3700x for longevity?

Would that extra £110 allow me to get another 1-2 years out of the build vs a 3600?
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also the 3700x comes with a better cooler which is very useable, whereas I have two ryzen 3600 and for mine one I splashed out on a £35 cooler.
 
Wait a couple of months. 3900x will be 100£ cheaper.

Even the 3950x price is tumbling.

This will make 3700x even cheaper.

March is a sweet time to buy.
 
im sorry this thread is pointless with all due respect, the 3950x will be like £200 in three years - can sell whatever you buy for £50 then and upgrade! enjoy man! don't sweat to much buy whats bang for buck !
 
Journey said:
Also lets not forget that there'll be a big change come 2021 with DDR5 platforms coming to the mainstream, and PCI-E 5.0, not to mention USB 4.0 (Thunderbolt 3.0) and probably more that I've not listed.

I'd think spending a small but sensible amount on the CPU/Board/RAM combo (~£310 for R5 3600/B450/16GB DDR4 3200) is the obvious choice, others will tell you spending £270 on an X570 board is a great idea, but it's not if you aren't getting any benefit from it at all.
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This is exactly my logic now that I will be soon doing a new desktop build. AM5 and Zen4 will be a true generation leap so there is no point spending much money on current technology until then. A 3700x with a B550 will be plenty of power to last the next couple of years until Zen4 and AM5, upon which time it then makes sense to do a significant upgrade that will last 5 years.
 
Richdog said:
This is exactly my logic now that I will be soon doing a new desktop build. AM5 and Zen4 will be a true generation leap so there is no point spending much money on current technology until then. A 3700x with a B550 will be plenty of power to last the next couple of years until Zen4 and AM5, upon which time it then makes sense to do a significant upgrade that will last 5 years.
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A 3700x has 5 years in it. What do you do to remotely think you would need to upgrade in 2 years from that to get 5 years more usage.

Or are you just a rich dog? Lol.
 
lnoton said:
A 3700x has 5 years in it. What do you do to remotely think you would need to upgrade in 2 years from that to get 5 years more usage.

Or are you just a rich dog? Lol.
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I am not the OP and I am not specifically looking for an upgrade to last 5 years, I was just supporting the post I quoted saying that imo now is not the time to spend a significant amount of money on a CPU/MOBO upgrade. Better to spend less then splurge on Zen4/AM5/DDR5/USB4 etc goodness in 18-24 months.

But yes, of course a 3700x etc will last 5 years if you really need it to.
 
Wouldn’t even entertain the 3600x seems like some games even respond better to the 8/16coresthreads

pay the little extra go 3700x/3800x
 
If buying shortly, daft buying a cpu now for 5 years, get the 3600 for £150ish or even the 3300x, mobo choice matters more so you don't get screwed, then upgrade next year when 3700x is £120 or go wild with a 4k chip
 
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