3600x or 2700x

[chrcoluk]

I feel as if some people are addicted to cores and think they the solution to every problem. If a 10 core 4700X got released next year I expect suddenly 8 cores would be obsolete and the cause of stutters.

Mainstream is barely moving over to quad cores for gaming. Never mind 6 core HTT/SMT cpu's.

 

[Steveocee]

Mainstream is barely moving over to quad cores for gaming. Never mind 6 core HTT/SMT cpu's.

IIRC @humbug posted a really good link a week or 2 ago regarding cores scaling in current games and the results do lean favourably in more=better with the biggest difference being 4>6 I think.

 

[wellibob]

I feel as if some people are addicted to cores and think they the solution to every problem. If a 10 core 4700X got released next year I expect suddenly 8 cores would be obsolete and the cause of stutters.

Mainstream is barely moving over to quad cores for gaming. Never mind 6 core HTT/SMT cpu's.

This exactly.

 

[alec]

All you guys recommending the 3600x should have a read: https://www.techspot.com/amp/article/1880-ryzen-3600x-vs-3600/
3600 + aftermarket cooler is a more sensible buy than a 3600x + stock cooler

I believe this was before ABBA fixes, and 3600X benefits more from them

For gaming, extra boost of 3600X makes a difference. In some cases it even beats 3700X.
2700X < 3600 < 3600X

 

[chrcoluk]

IIRC @humbug posted a really good link a week or 2 ago regarding cores scaling in current games and the results do lean favourably in more=better with the biggest difference being 4>6 I think.

"a few" games yes.

Although most people play at 60fps, those tests were at uncapped framerates which is unrealistic for most people.

I just wonder tho if you get my point that if there was a 10+ core 4700X next year would people be saying the same about 8 cores as they are now about 6 cores.

 

[Steveocee]

I just wonder tho if you get my point that if there was a 10+ core 4700X next year would people be saying the same about 8 cores as they are now about 6 cores.

Highly doubtful.
Point was seen and won't happen. It's taken how many years to think of a 4c/8t CPU as being defunct?? 6c/12t won't be going anywhere whilst it's AMD's core gaming part. With next gen consoles going to 8 core I imagine the bulk of development and optimisation will be centred on 8 core although you'd hope it would be something "sliding" that could scale with cores but highly unlikely.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

 

[chrcoluk]

Highly doubtful.
Point was seen and won't happen. It's taken how many years to think of a 4c/8t CPU as being defunct?? 6c/12t won't be going anywhere whilst it's AMD's core gaming part. With next gen consoles going to 8 core I imagine the bulk of development and optimisation will be centred on 8 core although you'd hope it would be something "sliding" that could scale with cores but highly unlikely.

Ironically consoles will be optimised for 6-7 cores not 8. As they wont all be available for developers to use.

 

[4K8KW10]

Using a intel chip from there top tier platform to say they have been around for many years is just flawed! Amd released the phantom x 6 in 2010 and have has countless 6 and 8 core since till ryzen did they sell well or acctully be any good he’ll no they was all terrible (although the x6 wasn’t the o bad at the time )

ryzen 1600 and then intel 8700k changes that they become mainstream in 2017 and from past experience will become the normal for people!

as for telling someone to buy a cpu on credit come on man never buy tech on credit by the time u pay it off or in most cases before u will want to upgrade live within your means pure and simple !

Many people buy any type of tech on credit. It's the most popular method of getting something. Smartphones, notebooks, PCs, you name it...
So, if the Phenom X6 was the first one with six cores, then the 6-core technology is even older than 2011.

I just wonder tho if you get my point that if there was a 10+ core 4700X next year would people be saying the same about 8 cores as they are now about 6 cores.

No. The problem is in the 6-core SKUs. Their high load/utilisation during gaming spells very high risk of stutter - even if you manually force it with some additional multi-tasking in the background.

6c/12t won't be going anywhere whilst it's AMD's core gaming part.

It depends on Microsoft and nvidia. If nvidia decides that 6-core is not good enough anymore, the next titles will be optimised to require 8 cores, 10 cores and 12 cores.

 

[TrM]

Ironically consoles will be optimised for 6-7 cores not 8. As they wont all be available for developers to use.

if some leaks are to belived aas far as ive seen they have only offically said zen 2 8 core cpu but since most zen 2 cpu are 8 cores and 16 thread and a lot of leakers belive it weill be the same in consoles we could have more smt to play with will be a bigest boost to pc gaming if ht/smt was acctully leveraged properly so consoles could be 6.12 7/14

but consoles acctuilly having a strong cpu this time around Ps4/xbox jaguar cpu was awful on realse on pc before consoles used them! having a cpu based on zen 2 even at 3ghz will be masssive improvment and soul,d help with leveraging more cores on pc in the future ass well.

i perosnlly think next generation of consoles will push recomended spec on pc a lot higher then is now though and i also think graphcily at least a ps5 and xbox two weill be a better gaming exxperiance then a lot of our pc's for a while

 

[Orange Nexus]

The problem is in the 6-core SKUs. Their high load/utilisation during gaming spells very high risk of stutter - even if you manually force it with some additional multi-tasking in the background.

It depends on Microsoft and nvidia. If nvidia decides that 6-core is not good enough anymore, the next titles will be optimised to require 8 cores, 10 cores and 12 cores.

Six cores with SMT will outlast 8 cores without HT/SMT. Yah, the Six cores wihtout HT/SMT is pretty much on the way out.

https://i.imgur.com/rnLwwRj.png

It depends on what GPU the CPU is paired.

 

[4K8KW10]

Six cores with SMT will outlast 8 cores without HT/SMT. Yah, the Six cores wihtout HT/SMT is pretty much on the way out.

https://i.imgur.com/rnLwwRj.png

It depends on what GPU the CPU is paired.

When I used a Core 2 Quad back in 2010-2012, I remember that the Task Manager showed something like 40%-50% in NFS, F1, maybe 60% in Crysis.......
Despite that ^^^^, somewhere around 2011-2012 something on the software side changed, and I started observing stutter.

It looks like "planned obsolescence", but in 2009 I paid top dollar $320ish for the CPU. So, 2-3 years and framedrops/stutter appear.

 

[Orange Nexus]

When I used a Core 2 Quad back in 2010-2012, I remember that the Task Manager showed something like 40%-50% in NFS, F1, maybe 60% in Crysis.......
Despite that ^^^^, somewhere around 2011-2012 something on the software side changed, and I started observing stutter.

It looks like "planned obsolescence", but in 2009 I paid top dollar $320ish for the CPU. So, 2-3 years and framedrops/stutter appear.

I recall when HT was broken in BF3 and i had to disable it. That was when i experienced stuttering in multi-player 64, esp when there were lots of going on. Same with BF4.

https://i.imgur.com/n5D7c75.jpg

With HT, the i7 lasted longer. The number of cores and threads were only half the story. The IPC, of course, matters, too. That's why intel cpus stick around longer.