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3700x / 3060ti - Just upgrade just the GPU
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5800X3D would be a great option, the 5700X3D doesn't seem very good in my opinion, I've seen the normal 5700X match it in games. It also has a lower clock speed than the 5700X.
To be fair, unless you're playing competitive multiplayer and really care about the 1% lows, you could get away with just putting a 5700X or 5800X in, there seems to be nothing in the 2 real world wise, and the 5700X is only 65W and would run silent.
At 4K you don't really need to go mad with a CPU for single player gaming, having the 3D cache is obviously a nice bonus if you're whiling to spend the money mind, but if you just want to squeeze out a bit more life out of your AM4 platform, I'd say just chuck a 5700X or 5800X in. The new GPU will be doing all the heavy lifting anyway at 4K.
To be fair, unless you're playing competitive multiplayer and really care about the 1% lows, you could get away with just putting a 5700X or 5800X in, there seems to be nothing in the 2 real world wise, and the 5700X is only 65W and would run silent.
At 4K you don't really need to go mad with a CPU for single player gaming, having the 3D cache is obviously a nice bonus if you're whiling to spend the money mind, but if you just want to squeeze out a bit more life out of your AM4 platform, I'd say just chuck a 5700X or 5800X in. The new GPU will be doing all the heavy lifting anyway at 4K.
Except you can't get a 5800X3D anymore unless buying second hand, and the 5700X3D gets you 95% of the way there while actually being purchasable brand new.
For the price delta between a used 5800X3D and new 5700X3D (even more if you buy the latter second hand also), you may as well put that money into a better GPU.
5700X3D is an excellent cpu, I picked one up on import for just over 100 quid and swapped out my 5800X which I then sold for pretty much what the 5700X3D cost, some games I gained 20% others no difference, 1% lows were better and power draw dropped by 40% while temps came down by 25c, this was with a 4090 at 4k.
Prices are slowly improving thankfully:
My basket at OcUK:
- 1 x Gainward GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Phoenix-S 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-GNW-05399) = £689.99
- 1 x XFX Swift Radeon RX 9070 XT Triple Fan Gaming Edition White 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-XFX-05455) = £629.99
Total: £1,327.97 (includes delivery: £7.99)
I'd personally spring the extra for the 5070ti, especially at 4K simply for DLSS over FSR4, but there are other benefits in superior RT/PT etc.
Huh? He never specified brand new?
A used 5800X3D is about £40-50 more than a new 5700X3D, CPU's rarely die, I've never personally experienced it in over 30 years, nor any of my friends.
The jump from a 5700X3D to a 5800X3D is big at 1080P/1440P, you've only got to look at a comparison video of a multitude of games.
At 4K there is only a 1-3FPS gain when you compare a 5800X/5700X3D/5800X3D in pretty much every game, the only benefit is the 1% lows, I only play at 4K DLSS, and in the past had a 5800X which never had any issues with 1% lows, in any SP game, and it certainly didn't stop me winning any matches in MP games, so I never bothered back to upgrade.
So it really does depend, if the OP's after bang per buck and more money to put towards a GPU, which a 5700X/5800X would achieve be it used or brand new, or is wanting to squeeze many more years out of it and pickup a beefier GPU later down the road that would take advantage of an X3D.
For £100 that's an excellent choice, with some nice headroom for the futre!
What resolution were you using when you got those gains? As in every comparison video at 4K with a 5800X/5700X3D/5800X3D, you only gain 1-3FPS at 4K? Which is pointless.
At 1080P/1440P you get a great gain, so if that's what you were using, then fair enough, but the OP is playing at 4K.
I see people constantly obsessing over 1% lows, but personally, I've never had even a hint of that being a factor in SP or MP - I'm not trolling or trying to be rude, I just genuinely don't understand why people obsess over it?
If you aren't experiencing anything that affects your gameplay, it plays smooth, looks good, nets the FPS that you want, and doesn't compromise you winning MP matches, then I cant see why it needs improving. I know X3D will always be better, but at 4K DLSS I never had a problem myself when I had a 5800X.
As I said to Smeghead above, it really does depend, if the OP's after bang per buck and more money to put towards a GPU, which a 5700X/5800X would achieve be it used or brand new, or is wanting to squeeze many more years out of it and pickup a beefier GPU later down the road that would take advantage of an X3D.
No it’s not. The only difference is 400mhz of clock speed.
The real world difference is 5% at 1080p and less at 1440/4k
I have both cpus in the house. If the OP was looking at 5090 spending more of a cpu would be an ok idea. But with a £700 gpu at 4k there will be little to no difference
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So all of those 20-35 minute comparison videos playing many games comparing the 5800X/5700X3D/5800X3D at 1080P/1440P/2160P are all lying are they
I've just rewatched the video comparing them, he is using a 4090 - so are you saying unless you only have something that high end, you will not net any gains with a 5800X3D vs a 5700X3D?
I thought at 1080P and 1440P you always gained a lot of FPS with X3D - lesser so with 1440P vs 1080P understandably, but nothing exciting at 4K?
Doesn't the X3D give you fair chuck of bonus FPS regardless of GPU then? So going from a 5700X3D to a 5800X3D would still net a noticable gain?
If I've been misled, then I apologise and stand corrected and have clearly been misled by these comparison videos if it requires god tier GPU's to make any difference worth the investment
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Clickbait videos are clickbait.So all of those 20-35 minute comparison videos playing many games comparing the 5800X/5700X3D/5800X3D at 1080P/1440P/2160P are all lying are they
Plenty of reputable sources that show a 5700X3D as being faster than a 5800X most of the time, despite the clock speed disadvantage
Even with a 1.5Ghz (closing to 1.3Ghz under boost) clock speed disadvantage vs the newer 7700X, the 5700X3d yet still comes out ahead for most games purely because of the 3D cache.
E.g.
I don't understand how it was a clickbait video?Clickbait videos are clickbait.
Plenty of reputable sources that show a 5700X3D as being faster than a 5800X most of the time, despite the clock speed disadvantage
Even with a 1.5Ghz (closing to 1.3Ghz under boost) clock speed disadvantage vs the newer 7700X, the 5700X3d yet still comes out ahead for most games purely because of the 3D cache.
E.g.
It was showing 3 different CPU's running side by side playing the exact same level of each game over and over at different resolutions?
The only thing that I'd not factored in was the 4090, as I was led to believe that regardless of GPU, a X3D CPU gives you more FPS in any game at 1080P, and not as much but still more in 1440P and basically nothing in 4K as at that point the GPU is doing nearly all the lifting?
Aka, the higher the model X3D the more you gain, thus a 5800X3D would be a noticable jump from the 5700X3D in 1080P and still some gains in 1440P, but at 4K which was what the OP intends to use, there wouldn't be anything in it?
When I've seen 4K comparisons showing a 5800X versus a 5700X3D versus a 5800X3D, there was something silly like 1-3FPS gain, which would clearly make it a waste of money for 4K if you already had a 5800X?
So I'll ask again, are you both saying that unless it's a very high end GPU, you will gain nothing having a 5800X3D over a 5700X3D? That would also imply that you wouldn't really have to worry about a CPU bottleneck when having something like a 4080/5080 and their variants?
As I'm aware how good a 5800X3D is when paired with a 4090.
So is that why at 4K with something like a 4080 there is nothing it in FPS wise between a 5800X/5700X3D/5800X3D? It's all just 1% low gains?
So if someone had a 5800X/4070 or 9070XT would they even gain anything at 4K DLSS/FSR bar 1% lows with a 5700X3D or 5800X3D? Or would they need a 4080 and above to notice anything?
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Yes the gpu is the limiting factor not the cpu. The boost in 1% lows is from the x3s’s V cache
If you used DLSS @4k depending on the level your actually rendering the image at 1440 or 1080 so when using DLSS or FSR at 4k you would gain a little in fps but the main gain would be in 1% lows, it depending on the actual frame rate your getting it can still give you a much smoother game experience.
The 5800x3d is not worth the extra £40/£50 over the cost of a new 5700x3d
So it's safe to say, because the OP is not going to a top end GPU and is playing at 4K, that a 5800X would be a decent bang per buck solution if he's looking to save some money/have more money towards his GPU, and obviously if he bought one second hand, again this would be an extremely good upgrade over the 3700X, thus a X3D wouldn't really be justified? Or would you still grab a 5700X for £170 secondhand or £250 new?
As this was my original point before me and you started debating 5700X3D versus 5800X3D?
Thank you for your input, as I wasn't aware that people didn't get the extra bump going from a 5700X3D to a 5800X3D 'unless' they had a 4090 etc, as I said above I was under the impression the higher model the X3D, the more free FPS bonus you got at 1080P/1440P - I never would have thought for a second that the 5700X3D and 5800X3D would end up side by side in that scenario!
Thanks for that, I've learnt something and apologise for being wrong before, FWIW I wasn't trolling, I just saw what I thought was a black and white side by side comparison video, and thought well the higher the model X3D the more you get, I was wrong
I am right in thinking that DLSS set to quality is always half the resolution right? Ala 4K DLSS quality is 1440P?
Wow, I was led to believe that the 5800X3D would have been something like a 15-20% gain over a 5700X3D!
That makes the 5700X3D a hell of a good CPU then considering how good the 5800X3D is!
Second hand that must be THE best CPU you can go for of that generation bang per buck wise! I wonder why they're so cheap second hand then? I'm guessing purely because you can still buy them new?