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3770k upgraders?

Discussion in 'CPUs' started by nwatson6, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. Woodsta888

    Wise Guy

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    If you buy Ryzen2 now you will be an early adopter so expect some fettling as BIOS's AGESA's and Chipset drivers evolve. If you want plug and play, go intel as their current line-up has been out for a while and is tried and tested.

    Slow boot - none for me. Though some maybe confused that when making BIOS or Ryzen Master (RM) changes the machine will cycle at the reboot stage sometimes as some settings need to change before others can. Depending on MOBO how many times it will try is adjustable and defaults vary.

    RAM - this was all a bit new as I've never needed to do anything other than use XMP settings before until this build. The fact that Ryzen can use much higher clock frequencies of RAM and the infinity fabric can now decoupled from the RAM clock speed, you can get RAM to run higher from it's native speeds. Many are struggling when it comes to be able to muck about with RAM, including myself, but as an enthusiast and early adopter, this was just something new to learn. For the basics you just need to enter the primary native timings, manually. Many get the DRAM calc and try and enter all the new timings in one go (myself included). You need to enter the changes gradually and not all of them are required to get a stable OC. For mine to run native I loaded the XMP profile so that the BIOS takes the native timings, then entered the primary timings manually. 3200Mhz CL16 is plenty.

    The CPU's work very well performance wise, although it seems the BIOS AGESA's were a bit late or immature for MOBO vendors. Many 'issues' are raised by enthusiasts trying to find the edge of their hardware's envelope of which you may read in the forums as issues.

    Even if you bought a Ryzen2 CPU, dropped it into a MOBO with new RAM and started it up first time and ran the RAM at default with 1200Mhz IF and 2400Mhz clock speed - it would still be a noticeable (not just measurable) performance upgrade from your 3770k. No professional reviewers came across (that I can remember) seemed to raise the issue that they had issues with getting RAM to work on new RAM sets. Choose a Ryzen optimized set and for now run the RAM at it's native frequency first and leave it. Then if you become more enthusiast, then you can chase tightening timings or increasing frequencies of teh RAM and IF BUT - it's a learning curve if like me you've never done it before.
     
  2. Street

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    Joined: Jan 17, 2005

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    Location: Liverpool

    My board turned up yesterday so I stuck it all together, reinstalled Windows and was up and running with zero problems. I updated the BIOS and everything was left at auto with the XMP profile enabled. I didn't have much of a chance to performance test it compared to my old 4790 as I was busy redownloading everything. I did manage to run a couple quick tests on GTA V and Division 2 but at UW resolution I'm GPU limited on these games with a V64 and only saw a couple FPS increase. I imagine other games will show more of an increase, but my 4790k was at 4.5GHz vs the 3700x at stock. I had a play in Lightroom and it did feel snappier and exports felt quicker however that could be placebo effect!
     
  3. Bluntwrapped

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    5GHz 3770k here. Was going to go Ryzen but with the issues some have mentioned I’m sitting tight for now.

    If the 9900 (non k) wasn’t so expensive, it would probably be perfect for what I want.
     
  4. nwatson6

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    Care to share what you bought eg CPU mbrd ram etc
     
  5. Street

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    I went from a 4790k@4.5GHz to a 3700X with Gigabyte X750 board and 3200 CAS 16 RAM. I probably didn't need to upgrade but my previous stuff was nearly 5 years old and I had the itch. Hopefully this will tide me over for another 5 years.
     
  6. Phil2008

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Dec 17, 2004

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    I havent seen much of a leap coming from the 2500k/2600k to the 8086k, mainly because of my R9 290, but it still runs games ok.
     
  7. UrKoS

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    Gutted issue with Dpd today so ram not turned up. Upgrade may now be next weekend if no show tomorrow :(
     
  8. dessimpson

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    I upgraded from a 3770k to a 5930k and saw no difference.
    Then upgraded to a 8086k @ 5Ghz and it felt like a huge upgrade from the 5930k.

    Still got my old 3770k in my spare PC with a 1080ti and it seems pretty faultless at 1080p on the games I've tried.
     
  9. Phil2008

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    My r9 290 gpu must holding my 8086k up big time then, like I said I didnt notice much going from a 2500k to a 2600k and then to the 8086k... But games are running smooth enough for me so far
     
  10. madtoady

    Hitman

    Joined: Feb 11, 2006

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    I'm starting to get the itch to upgrade my 3770k system. It's pretty out of date now but I really want to make sure the upgrade is worth it. I'm looking at doing it properly and going with the 3800x with a X570 board with an M.2 PCIE 4.0 SSD and my existing GTX1080.

    Current setup:
    Intel 3770k @ 4.4Ghz
    16Gb Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR3 1866
    Gigabyte Z77 UD5H
    Sata 6 Samsung 850 EVO 1TB
    Gigabyte Windforce GTX1080
     
  11. humbug

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    Several things you need to know.

    Don't bother with the 3800X, get the 3700X instead, they are the same CPU under another name, with the 3800X having slightly high clocks.

    Ryzen 3000 doesn't really overclock, they have a boost algorithm that already pushed them pretty much as far as you could overclock them.

    If you do any productivity work your performance will more than double.

    If the 3770K is bottlenecking the 1080 then you will see that much gained in gaming performance, if not, then not.

    If you upgrade to a faster GPU later on a Ryzen 3000 CPU will have much less chance of bottlenecking it, something like a 3700X is a much faster gaming CPU than the 3770K, it just depends on whether you need that performance to drive the GPU.
     
  12. NinjaCool

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    Hardware Unboxed just did a video about the difference between 3800X vs. 3700X so you might want to check that out Madtoady :)
     
  13. Geo772

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    I've recently upgraded from a 3770k to a Ryzen 3900X.
    It has been much more than a simple CPU upgrade though.

    In short:
    CPU goes from 3770k to 3900X
    RAM goes from 32GB DDR3 1600 to 64GB DDR4 3200
    GPU goes from 1080 to 2080Super
    SSD goes from 1TB Crucial SATA to 2TB Corsair MP510 NVMe

    The GPU upgrade was made shortly before the rest so I got to run the 2080S on the 3770k for a bit, it showed the 3770k was very much holding back performance.

    Overall I'm very happy with the changes. Overall system responsiveness has improved, although the fresh copy of Win10 may be more than partially responsible.

    Video encoding performance has hugely improved, I have several thousand hours of footage that I'm slowly converting to be more tablet/mobile friendly. What is very apparent is that it is now possible to do this while doing other things, something that wasn't really possible with the 3770k.

    When gaming the GPU is now the bottleneck, whereas before the CPU was the bottleneck more often than not, even at very high resolutions.
     
  14. madtoady

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    What board did you go with?
     
  15. Geo772

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    I went with the ASRock x570 Taichi which I'm very happy with. I'm using BIOS 1.8 which works well for me. I have set up a custom profile for the chipset fan so that it doesn't come on until it reaches 50C (which it hasn't so far even in this warmer weather).
     
  16. ScoTTyBEEE

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    4770k@4.4ghz, bought an 8750H (boosts to 4.1) laptop with NVME etc, bootup is maybe a couple of seconds quicker, multitasking maybe a little quicker in windows with the 6 cores, but overall the 4770k is still good enough to keep on the desktop imho.
     
  17. nwatson6

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    It seems 3900x with new motherboard and ram is the same price as 9900k with same ram and new motherboard. Intel path will likely be effortless, AMD will require fettling to get it running satisfactorily. I wonder how long it will take the prices to drop on either platform?
     
  18. tamzzy

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    Joined: May 26, 2012

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    that is correct, except if you're a frequent upgrader...
    the AM4 board will likely take the ryzen 4000 chips with little hassle except a bios flash (though you do get the AMD related headaches)
    whereas the intel option will require a new mobo as well.
     
  19. nwatson6

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    Not a frequent upgrader, so whichever route I take it will be long term, so although Intel is a dead end, I suspect by the time I want to upgrade again it would be the same new ram mboard etc. I suspect AMD will be the same?
     
  20. jigger

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    Maybe as AM5 will with us in the next two years. What you get with AM4 is a drop in option of a newer and or higher end CPU upgrade.