4080 super or 5070ti

[Freddie1980]

Isn't the 4080 Super and 5070Ti roughly the same performance level?

If I was determined to wizz a grand of my hard earned up a wall and the cards I was looking at were roughly same price I would go with the 5070Ti just so I could get access to DLSS 4 with the reassuring knowledge Nvidia will lock my out of DLSS 5 once it becomes available for the 6000 series.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

Nvidia will lock my out of DLSS 5 once it becomes available for the 6000 series.

That's interesting you say that, surely the DLSS models can be built for different gen cards but I think they may also be backwards compatible

There are claims of running DLSS4 models on older GPUs, I've not looked into this though

TBF getting a 50 series should keep you going a couple of gens by which time other entry cards will probably cost 2k of your earned bread

 

[Craig_d1]

Isn't the 4080 Super and 5070Ti roughly the same performance level?

If I was determined to wizz a grand of my hard earned up a wall and the cards I was looking at were roughly same price I would go with the 5070Ti just so I could get access to DLSS 4 with the reassuring knowledge Nvidia will lock my out of DLSS 5 once it becomes available for the 6000 series.

ha ha ha. They're very good at that aren't they. Seeing as 5000 is based on the same ada lovelace architecture, I find it difficult to truly believe a 4000 series(esp a high end one), can't run dlss4 and it's corresponding fg....a bit like apple with their new phones saying previous gen phone couldn't run apple intelligence, while stating their cpu's were a few years ahead of the competition, only for the competition to release their ai, which was then implemented on the 2 previous gen phones...hmmmm
nothing like corporate greed to force your loyal customers to upgrade earlier than necessary

anyway...9070xt reviews/launch can't come soon enough...if performance is slightly better than a 5070ti, a lot will come down to it's fsr4 performance on top to give it it's longevity etc....i have dlss on all the time with my 3070ti. hoping their talk on being good is correct and that they've listenned so wont price it like nvidia, and that stock is good for launch. I'd be prepared to just ship in that case, and not wait for nvidia prices to drop to compete. if amd price it right and it's good, hopefully they'll get rewarded in mkt share rather than people waiting for nvidia prices to drop so they buy that...without the competition, nvidia can't be trusted to keep their prices honest anymore

 

[Craig_d1]

That's interesting you say that, surely the DLSS models can be built for different gen cards but I think they may also be backwards compatible

There are claims of running DLSS4 models on older GPUs, I've not looked into this though

TBF getting a 50 series should keep you going a couple of gens by which time other entry cards will probably cost 2k of your earned bread

5000/4000/3000/2000 all get dlss ray reconstruction, dlss super resolution- Beta and Deep learning anti-alaising (DLAA)-beta
5000/4000 also get dls frame gen
5000 get dlss multi frame gen.....this is a big improvement on original frame gen so I've read..esp and latency is down, so for some games like cyberpunk as an example, can make a big difference in being able to play it with full on ray reconstruction etc...1st person competetive shooter, not so much
be interesting to see what amd fsr4 etc brings to the table

 

[Subliminal Aura]

I find it difficult to truly believe a 4000 series(esp a high end one), can't run dlss4 and it's corresponding fg

As I mentioned... The tensor cores between the 40 and 50 series are completely different so it makes sense that the DLSS4 models can't run on the 40 series unless Nvidia provides platform specific models during driver updates

 

[Craig_d1]

As I mentioned... The tensor cores between the 40 and 50 series are completely different so it makes sense that the DLSS4 models can't run on the 40 series unless Nvidia provides platform specific models during driver updates

trues, newer cores are far more ai optimised etc..however, read a 4090 has same ai perfomance as a 5070ti as it has a a lot more cores to counter the better ones in the 5000 series...seeing a mfg is coming to the whole 5000 stack including a 5060 down the line, mfg should still be possible for 4000 series, and for high end cards, should even be quite good...it's not like they produce 1000's of different models also, so not to much of an ask to say they should optimise for older gen

just found the below also

NVIDIA DLSS 4 Multi Frame Gen may one day come to the RTX 40 series GPUs

NVIDIA claims that its DLSS 4 Multi Frame Gen technology may one day come to the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 series GPUs.

www.dsogaming.com

 

[Craig_d1]

anyway, getting a bit sidetracked here . discussion better on the 5000 series thread

regarding op, my view

if got the cash and want the best posible gaming then it's the 5080...It's better than a 4080s(which you can;t get anyway and price has shot up), and obvs better than the 5070t.

If at all you're price conscious then the 5070ti is a good card and will play 4k. However if you're seriously looking at this card, then you really should wait for the 9070xt, which hopefully will give you similar performance for less money (caveat being fsr4 performance compared to dlss4 and mfg)

 

[Subliminal Aura]

anyway, getting a bit sidetracked here . discussion better on the 5000 series thread

Yeah true but I sighed at the responses and thought the effort of educating them just wasn't worth it

Anyway I still stand by
- moores law is dead
- it's all about Ai fake frames now

Everyone looks over the glaring AiTOPs stat which is the only reason why I bought a 50 series card

The Ultimate GeForce GPU Comparison

Learn what’s changed with the last four RTX and GTX Graphics Cards Series.

www.nvidia.com

4090 - 4th Generation 1321 AI TOPS
5070TI - 5th Generation 1406 AI TOPS

That's a proper generation jump, pity it doesn't do much for gaming FPS LOL

Anyway BACK OT

OP - Just get a 50 series if you can - you'll love it or :grimace: wait for poor man's GPU from AMD launching on the 6th