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4670k 4.3ghz. Upgrade time?

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Just got a 1080ti. My scores seem pretty low compared to most.

Is my cpu and ram holding me back? It's a 4670k at only 4.3ghz with 8GB of DDR 1600.

Should I max what my mobo can handle and get a used 4790k and 16gb 2400+ ram? Or get a new 7700k or Ryzen bundle?

System is for gaming only.
 
I wouldn't be investing in more DDR3 at this point, personally. Used 4790Ks are also massively overpriced, though 4770Ks are a little more reasonable. Ultimately, it wouldn't cost you that much more to grab a B350 motherboard, 16GB DDR4 and a Ryzen quad core. Even if you got a 4770K for £150 (the lower end of what they go for), a brand new 1500X is only £25 more and there or thereabouts in terms of gaming performance once overclocked. A decent B350 board like the Asus B350-Plus can be had for under £85 and DDR4 is no more expensive than DDR3. You're looking at £100 or so more for a brand new system on a socket with lots of future upgrade potential. Of course, you could also spend more on a six core Ryzen chip and an X370 motherboard, but that's another £100 again. It depends on how much you want to spend.

As for the 7700K, not for me. Paying £300+ for a quad core CPU right now seems nuts, with even Intel finally moving on in the near future.
 
your scores as in what scores? unless its fps benchmarks wouldn't worry about it.your cpu should be more than fast enough.
 
Yes thats a big bottleneck, id get a ryzen system.

I see my 2500k @ 4.6 bottleneck my regular 980 in most recent demanding AAA games from the past 2 years or so, I bet your gpu usage is 50% while your cpu is at 100% in 2016 games like deus ex, battlefield 1 etc. probably see stutter and inconsistent framerate.

That gpu far outclasses an i5 :cool:
 
Yes thats a big bottleneck, id get a ryzen system.

I see my 2500k @ 4.6 bottleneck my regular 980 in most recent demanding AAA games from the past 2 years or so, I bet your gpu usage is 50% while your cpu is at 100% in 2016 games like deus ex, battlefield 1 etc. probably see stutter and inconsistent framerate.

That gpu far outclasses an i5 :cool:

id want to see some benchmarks on the i5 4000 series V Ryzen before suggesting a possible £800 upgrade... most games I just quickly looked at show ryzen 1700 on par with i7 4000 series (I admit it was just a quick look)
 
I wouldn't worry about it this year. Mid to end next year should see some more gains and a much more noticible upgrade from the 4000 Intel series CPU's. Only reason I am holding out tbh.

Am hoping to go with AMD X399 series if everything pans out well over next 12 months. Being able to support 128GB of RAM for rendering VR Walk through in real time this is needed.

Add in a couple of M.2 2TB for running programs and similar and I will be a happy bunny at work. That with 4k 21:9 144Hz screen to be able to render said walkthough at 8K and downsample is what we are aiming for in the next 12 months for larger clients (Jaguar/Boeing/Rolls Royce/F1 Teams) as that is what really allows us to sell projects.

At moment it takes a few weeks to get it all fully rendered on a single machine and so we often have it running on a server system but this would change if we can get affordable multi-core for stand alone workstations in office.

For gaming probably not needed but hey would be fun to have the power there for the next 5 years or so and just upgrade GPU's as needed. Just need around £5k to get that setup sorted in 12 months.
 
It would be a downgrade to switch from the 4670k to a quad/hex-core ryzen, especially GPU nowadays can't easily handle demanding games yet. Wait for high frequency 8-core CPUs then upgrade.
 
Thanks guys. I guess i'll hang on a bit longer then. Just annoying me my 1080ti isn't getting as much performance as people with 7700k's!
 
It would be a downgrade to switch from the 4670k to a quad/hex-core ryzen, especially GPU nowadays can't easily handle demanding games yet. Wait for high frequency 8-core CPUs then upgrade.
Finally some common sense in these forums.

A quad core i5 will beat out even an 8 core Ryzen in most (not all games). I swear one of these days I'm going to curate the concluding line from every single Ryzen review which says something along the lines of not bad but still behind in intel in gaming. I'm then going to post it in every 'what cpu for gaming' thread where oddly and very strangely AMD is recommended by a hardcore few.
 
I'm in the same boat here, though my main reason is because I'm looking to go ITX. My thoughts are to get a second hand mini itx board and a 6700k from cex.
 
Drop in an i7 and overclock. Two sticks of fast ddr3 for 16gb will help in certain cases. Quite a few games using over 7-8gb now.
 
Finally some common sense in these forums.

A quad core i5 will beat out even an 8 core Ryzen in most (not all games). I swear one of these days I'm going to curate the concluding line from every single Ryzen review which says something along the lines of not bad but still behind in intel in gaming. I'm then going to post it in every 'what cpu for gaming' thread where oddly and very strangely AMD is recommended by a hardcore few.

I'll save you the trouble, but you might want to read it first. ;)

Guru 3D

"The conclusion.

At 219 USD the Ryzen 5 1600 is simply put terrific value. Heck pair it with a 125 USD B350 motherboard, pop on a nice graphics card and tweak it close to 4 GHz, you'll get a smile on your face as to how well a setup like that works. For that kind of money this setup offers nice gaming perf and excellent application threaded performance as Ryzen offers killer single- and multi-threaded performance. And if you are not into tweaking, heck the 1600X model might be worth the few tenners more for you. The eco-system is fast in matters of storage like M.2, SATA and/or USB 3.1. The step upwards to a six-core Ryzen 5 1600 is a proper one for the folks that actually need and waited for a well deserved upgrade, the guys that have been waiting for a price/perf competitive 6-core processor series and the intent to give AMD some well-deserved support after a couple of gruesome years. The more I test quad-core processors the less excited I am getting about them. A move to six and eight-core processors to me feels like the right thing to do as I do feel my overall desktop experience is much snappier and faster compared to any brand quad-core CPU, really go ask some users in our forums as it really feels and seems faster. The one thing you need to keep in mind is that Ryzen is a platform in development. Your motherboard will need a few firmware updates in the future, the memory support sometimes can be daunting and icky. But progress has been made in large steps over the last few weeks and slowly but steadily things are maturing properly. Our recommendation sticks, Ryzen processors like fast frequency memory. You start with a 2667 MHz kit but really, we recommend 2933 MHz or 3200 MHz CL16 if you want the last few FPS out of your gaming experience. Motherboards wise the performance will be the same from a 99 USD B350 towards the most expensive 350 USD X370 motherboard, you define the budget and needs in features. Please base your memory purchase choices on what the motherboard manufacturer advises (check their QVL list). Your sweet spot memory might be 2933 MHz with two DIMMs hence for all processor reviews we are moving to that number where possible. in closing, I think that we might have hit true equilibrium with the Ryzen 5 1600. Tweak it a bit and the proc is offering great value for money relative to performance. For 219 USD you can have a high-end processor experience on a very affordable platform. I cannot iterate it enough, this proc is oozing value and performance, and as such comes recommended, even highly recommended. Hence I am issuing both awards to the Ryzen 5 1600."


HardOCP
"The Bottom Line.

To truly talk about the bottom line when it comes to the AMD Ryzen 5, we need to look at its product stack and pricing.

Now let's look at where the Intel 7600K and 7700K are priced. That would be $239/$249 and $346 respectively. While we did not bring Intel's HPDT 6-Core processors into the benchmarking mix today you can see where those start off at $410 for an i7-5820K, and likely are going to be a bit more expensive when it come to the motherboard. You can see Core i7-6900X scores in our Ryzen 7 Review.

For those of you looking to build a new system strictly for gaming, it is still hard to argue against the Intel Core i5-7600K, and then it is going to depend on whether or not you are gaming at a CPU-limited resolution like 1080p. Once you get beyond a "1080p gaming only" system, it is hard to prop up the 7600K at its ~$250 price point. As applications move to being more thread-aware, it only makes sense to have more true CPU cores and threads in your system. The AMD Ryzen 5 1600 at $219, if you are a "PC hardware enthusiast" that is going to overclock, is tremendous value for its price. I am not on board for buying a 4-Core processor now days, at least not for the "enthusiast." However, if you are building a new system for someone that is not gaming at all and just surfing, consuming media, and mailing, the 4-Core/8-Thread Ryzen 5 1400 is extremely compelling at $170.

The AMD Ryzen 5 1600 processor is going to epitomize the "value sweet spot" with its $220 price point. If you are not that person that knows they need a bunch of cores for encoding or rendering, then there is likely no reason for you to buy a 8-Core CPU...yet. However, I can argue that if you want any kind of CPU built for "the future," the 6-Core Ryzen 5 CPU can likely at least deliver you there. I like the Ryzen 5 1600. I like it a lot. AMD is delivering a lot of desktop processing power for the money."

ArsTechnica

"For those with more modest budgets, the Ryzen 5 1600X (buy here)—with its far superior productivity performance and gaming performance on par with Intel's similarly priced i5-7600K—is an extremely compelling option for those who do more than just game. Not only are there two extra cores, but also eight extra threads, and that makes all the difference in heavily multithreaded applications that can take advantage. Those that need even more threads will be well-served by the eight-core 1800X and 1700 too, particularly compared to the sky-high price of Intel's Broadwell-E chips, although there's little performance to be gained in games.

The quad-core 1500X (buy here) isn't quite as interesting, but provides a solid alternative to the i5-7400 for those that value multithreading over raw gaming performance. Not to mention that a B350 motherboard coupled with a 1500X costs the same price as lone 7700K.

Indeed, value for money has always been AMD's strong point. In the past, it's had little else to offer. But Ryzen's unexpectedly low price is a different kind of value for money. It's not an admission that it can't compete, but a recognition that the competition has gone too far. AMD is the cheaper solution—and for once that's something to be proud of."
 
TechPower Up

"The Core i5-7600K is an important SKU for Intel because spending at least $250 on a CPU apparently gives some gaming PC builders the confidence to opt for >$650 enthusiast-segment graphics cards without "feeling" that the graphics subsystem is somehow bottlenecked by the CPU. Thanks to a lack of competition, Intel was happy selling a quad-core chip that lacks HyperThreading and has just 6 MB of L3 cache at this price-point, and given its gaming frame rates are within 15% of the $350-ish Core i7 part, consumers were happy to buy it. This gravy-train for Intel's bean counters has run out of line thanks to the Ryzen 5 1600X.

At $250, the Ryzen 5 1600X is giving you so much more than the i5-7600K - 6 cores, SMT enabling 12 logical CPUs, and 16 MB of L3 cache, and high clock speeds of 3.70 GHz, with 4.00 GHz boost, and XFR unlocking higher clocks if your cooling is good enough. We are happy to report that these greater features on paper do also translate into performance that beats the Core i5-7600K at everything. It even beats the $330 Core i7-7700K in apps that scale with cores. You can go ahead and pair this CPU with a really expensive graphics card.

The gaming performance of the Ryzen 5 1600X renders AMD's costlier Ryzen 7 eight-core lineup redundant. Owing to higher clock speeds, the chip is faster than the Ryzen 7 1700 (non-X) at gaming, which only goes to show that while some of the newer games are beginning to take advantage of more than 4 logical CPUs, you still don't need 8 cores/16 threads, and the 6 cores with 12 threads of the 1600X make for a good gaming-PC CPU. But that's just half the story. We also measured minimum framerates (99th percentile), which suggest that in some games Ryzen delivers better minimums, but we're not completely convinced of whether our data is accurate yet. This is important because lower minimum frame rates can sometimes affect gameplay. The minimum fps of the 1600X isn't, however, as low as with the 1500X quad-core chip.

With non-gaming tasks such as multi-threaded media encoding, the Ryzen 5 1600X wields a handsomely competitive edge over the entire Core i5 "Kaby Lake" series and even trades blows with the costlier i7-7700K. You could benefit from the 12 logical CPUs this chip offers thanks to SMT, in scenarios such as game streaming, in which some of the processor's resources are encoding and streaming your game capture to services such as Twitch. Productivity software can already take advantage of as many CPU cores as you can throw at them, and with the advent of DirectX 12 and Vulkan, games too are beginning to benefit from more than 4 logical CPUs.

With 2 fewer CPU cores than the Ryzen 7 1800X, you'd expect the power draw of the 1600X to be slightly lower. Unfortunately, the 1600X has higher power draw than any of the Intel chips in our comparison. Surprisingly, its power draw is higher than even the eight-core Ryzen 7 1700, which happens to lack XFR. Perhaps XFR is responsible for tapping into higher core voltages to unlock speeds beyond the maximum TurboCore frequency, thereby impacting power-draw significantly. The 1600X has a higher power draw than any of the Core i5 "Kaby Lake" chips in Prime95, a multi-threaded stress-test that loads all the cores and threads available. The single-threaded test SuperPi also highlights that the 1600X isn't as efficient as "Kaby Lake" quad-core chips. During gaming, however, power-draw is just 10% higher.

While on paper the Ryzen 5 1600X gives you so many more features than similarly priced Core i5 "Kaby Lake" chips, it lacks integrated graphics (yes, even if the motherboards have monitor connectors). It may not mean much to gaming PC builders, but system integrators, builders of office computers and you when building a computer for your parents might miss integrated graphics, which is a cost-effective solution to keeping platform cost down for non-gaming loads. If this affects you, maybe you could wait for AMD to roll out its Ryzen-branded "Raven Ridge" socket AM4 APUs in the second half of 2017.

Should you pick the Ryzen 5 1600X over Intel's offerings? Most definitely. The similarly priced Core i5-7600K is convincingly beaten by the 1600X across the board, and the 1600X even registers wins against the much costlier i7-7700K in some tests. These chips give you so much more, and the average frame rates are on par with Intel, but if you do nothing other than gaming on your $1,500 rig, you're still better off opting for an Intel Core i5-7600K or 7700K. If, however, you're looking for a more wholesome package that gives you the power to handle media-productivity tasks, as well as great gaming performance, then the Ryzen 5 1600X makes for an incredible option. Intel's $200-350 CPU lineup is certainly in a bit of a pickle."
 
"Final Thoughts
The Ryzen 5 CPUs are pretty much what we expected; slight enhancements in software/microcode with similar multi-core performance that scales with core count and frequency compared to Ryzen 7. At similar price points to Intel's offerings, the multi-threaded advantages of the Ryzen microarchitecture provide major benefits. Even in some of the games, the 1600X and 1500X went head to head with the 7600K and 7500, and they are in very similar price brackets. All that being said, you aren't going to see a major difference between a similarly priced Ryzen CPU and Intel CPU in games if you have a nice GPU setup, but if your setup isn't that strong and the CPU's IPC and frequency comes into play, the difference might be more pronounced. What I really liked about the Ryzen 5 1600X is that it bring 6-cores and 12-threads into the reach of the average consumer, and hopefully, this will push developers towards taking advantage of more cores since IPC improvements are becoming harder to come by. The Ryzen 5's 1500X's affordability is very impressive. AMD realized where its products are strong and have positioned them very well in regards to pricing. Overall, the Ryzen 5 1500X and 1600X are very welcomed additions to the Ryzen lineup, bringing the new microarchitecture into a much more affordable price bracket."



I can keep going, but I think you get the picture, and no I am not recommend the OP upgrade from a 4670K that is OC'd, just you seem to think that buying an i5 is still a good idea, and pretty much everyone else on the planet doesn't.
 
id want to see some benchmarks on the i5 4000 series V Ryzen before suggesting a possible £800 upgrade... most games I just quickly looked at show ryzen 1700 on par with i7 4000 series (I admit it was just a quick look)

easiest way is for op to play games with msi afterburner or something that shows gpu usage, I can guarantee its not even close to being used to its full potential with an i5 from first hand experience. i7s are much more capable than i5s thanks to hyperthreading. i've also noticed most benchmarking sites dont really stress the cpu as much as normal gameplay would, i.e. testing battlefield 1 singleplayer instead of 64 players, deus ex benchmark which performs way better than the actual prague city.

just seems like a waste to get a 1080ti and its basically going to perform like a 1070 in majority of recent games thanks to bottlenecking. I thought round here it was accepted that i5s now are not enough for high framerates and cause very low minimum framerates
 
I can keep going, but I think you get the picture, and no I am not recommend the OP upgrade from a 4670K that is OC'd, just you seem to think that buying an i5 is still a good idea, and pretty much everyone else on the planet doesn't.

No like you I feel it's worth keeping the i5 not buying a new one. I know Ryzen wins the value argument and later I'll post the non 5 series round ups where value is less of a factor, unless of course you get there first...
 
No like you I feel it's worth keeping the i5 not buying a new one. I know Ryzen wins the value argument and later I'll post the non 5 series round ups where value is less of a factor, unless of course you get there first...

It's not worth upgrading to imo especially if overclocking but those extra cores will pay dividends in the future. You would be crazy to get an i5 over ryzen if buying new.
 
I ended up going second hand, and getting a 6700K for 172. Pretty good deal in my opinion. Not only that, but there aren't any ryzen mini itx motherboards in the UK at the moment, and with the DDR4 ram speed issues, I'd have to sell the RAM I got and buy some new ryzen optimised stuff.
 
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