4670k bottleneck

[joelk2]

Would a rtx 2060 bottleneck my cpu (no overclock)

Could do with a GPU upgrade but ideally don't want to have to upgrade cpu as well?

 

[MaXxBoulton]

what is your current set up, and why are you wanting a new GPU.
the question of will a part be a bottle neck is a funny one to answer

firstly i think your asking would the CPU bottle neck the GPU not the other way round.
any secondly your asking will you CPU keep up with the demand from your GPU for information.

so now we need some info from you.
what resolution do you plan to game at
what games do you play
what setting do you like to play at

 

[joelk2]

Makes sense .

Current setup is
I5 4670k (not overclocked)
16gb Ram
780ti

I game at 1080p and as close to 144hz as I can.

Games wise I play pretty much FPS games, cod and overwatch at the moment but Division 2 upon release.

I've got the beta running at high settings (unsure of the frames I'm getting but it doesn't seem to struggle)

Ultimately I want to slowly start upgrading my pc.

Plan was to start with GPU as changing my cpu to a Ryzen or anything new will require new mobo and ram.

Current upgrade Id be looking at would be

Ryzen 2600
B450
16gb DDR4
£300

Or

GTX 2060
£300

Not being able to do both at once

 

[EssexBoy]

At that res and fps yea you will suffer immensely and that is coming from some one 4670k @ 4.6 and 1080ti running 4k @ 60hz.

I am waiting on the new ryzen chips and will upgrade to that if they are any good.

 

[joelk2]

How does Res and refresh rate affect the bottleneck? Surely higher resolution would be worse?

So in that case you think it would be more beneficial to upgrade cpu side of things first?

 

[MaXxBoulton]

Based on the things you want I would buy the gpu and overclock the poo out of your cpu

Pick up a used 4790k,

 

[joelk2]

Based on the things you want I would buy the gpu and overclock the poo out of your cpu

Pick up a used 4790k,

I wish I could. Any overclock .even to 4ghz gives me a blue screen. Not sure whether my mobo is awful or my cpu is literally the worst of the worst.

Mobo - ga-z87m-d3h
Ram - Samsung green (4x4gb)

Upgrading cpu is a no go as they cost upwards of £150

 

[~>Dg<~]

wait till summer on the cpu change over if you upgrading doesnt matter about the gpu. as you will upgrade anyway. will be miles better than what you have now. while you wait.

no point getting 2600 now.

 

[joelk2]

wait till summer on the cpu change over if you upgrading doesnt matter about the gpu. as you will upgrade anyway. will be miles better than what you have now. while you wait.

no point getting 2600 now.

Because of the new ones coming out?

 

[~>Dg<~]

yes. might aswell wait a couple of months have a newer platform. buy the gpu you want now and enjoy the performance. 780ti > 2060 is a massive leap. even on a weaker cpu. still will get 90 percent of the performance out of the card atleast anyway.

 

[MaXxBoulton]

Yes if you have any CPU problems crank up the setting to take stress off the cpu and onto the gpu.

 

[Krono5]

I'd consider a Vega 56 instead of the 2060 if you plan to tweak it. To quote Gibbo:

Vega 56 is faster stock for stock.
Vega 56 is faster overclocked and undervolt VS overclocked.
Vega 56 has 8G vs 6G
Vega 56 has more memory bandwidth
Vega 56 supports all free sync monitors not just some
Vega 56 cost less
Vega 56 comes with more games.

It really is a slam dunk!
Or grab a Vega 64 from £389.99 !

AMD are totally owning the sub £500 bracket at the moment!

Vega 64 @ £400
Vega 56 @ £320
RX 590 @ £250
RX 580 @ £200
RX 570 @ £150

All with 8G, winning every price segment for performance and value for money in my opinion.

You should be able to get 4.2Ghz absolute minimum out of the 4670k with that mobo and decent air cooling, 4.4hz for something like 95% of chips.

 

[MaXxBoulton]

You should be able to get 4.2Ghz absolute minimum out of the 4670k with that mobo and decent air cooling, 4.4hz for something like 95% of chips.

There is no minimum OC.. He could have poor cpu, mobo, ram or all 3.

I had an i3 6100 that did 4.5, then I got a new motherboard that should have been better but only get 4.2Ghz

 

[joelk2]

I'd consider a Vega 56 instead of the 2060 if you plan to tweak it. To quote Gibbo:

You should be able to get 4.2Ghz absolute minimum out of the 4670k with that mobo and decent air cooling, 4.4hz for something like 95% of chips.

I wish i could, although i lie, im overclocked to 4ghz and no blue screen. my cooling is sufficient, never runs hot, side of case all the time aswell. just any more than 4 is a no go

hmm vega 56 sounds like it could be a good option

There is no minimum OC.. He could have poor cpu, mobo, ram or all 3.

I had an i3 6100 that did 4.5, then I got a new motherboard that should have been better but only get 4.2Ghz

im not quite sure whats causing my poor overclock. my ram is supposed to one of the best for overclocking although ive never tried that either. ive just never been able to get much out of it.

 

[MaXxBoulton]

im not quite sure whats causing my poor overclock. my ram is supposed to one of the best for overclocking although ive never tried that either. ive just never been able to get much out of it.

you dont have the best motherboard, but still you should get a few multiplier notches.

 

[Krono5]

There is no minimum OC.. He could have poor cpu, mobo, ram or all 3.

I had an i3 6100 that did 4.5, then I got a new motherboard that should have been better but only get 4.2Ghz

What I mean is on most chips there's a certain OC that 99.9% of chips will reach at a given Vcore, if you check out https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics They have statistics of what % chips they've binned hit a certain clock speed and they bin thousands. Every CPU has to perform over the stock settings otherwise the mildest degradation would mean Intel would be constantly dealing with RMA's which would affect their bottom line. Not to say there couldn't be Mobo or ram issues.

im not quite sure whats causing my poor overclock. my ram is supposed to one of the best for overclocking although ive never tried that either. ive just never been able to get much out of it.

Having looked again at Haswell I may of been a bit optimistic as I recall they were'nt the best overclockers, still if you post bios settings here and load temps we could check it out.

Samsung green is brilliant for overclocking, although I wouldn't touch it until you're happy with your CPU OC.

 

[MaXxBoulton]

What I mean is on most chips there's a certain OC that 99.9% of chips will reach at a given Vcore, if you check out https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics They have statistics of what % chips they've binned hit a certain clock speed and they bin thousands. Every CPU has to perform over the stock settings otherwise the mildest degradation would mean Intel would be constantly dealing with RMA's which would affect their bottom line. Not to say there couldn't be Mobo or ram issues.

An overclock is more then just the quality of you silicon

Also his motherboard is not them best, however as i said he should get a few bumps on the multi
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z87M-D3H-rev-1x#ov

 

[joelk2]

I don't think I would pc my ram. I'm not sure it would really gain me anything.

So cpu to 4ghz. Think just a new GPU for the time being is the best route.

 

[joelk2]

Why is lower Rez with higher refresh more of a bottleneck than high Rez lower refresh?

 

[FlyingFish]

Because at higher frame rates the gpu needs to be fed with info as fast as possible , which is the job of the cpu. At higher resolutions, the frame rates are less, the gpu is doing more work and the cpu can keep up, the bottleneck shifts to the gpu.

Sometimes it's a balancing act. In my case I had a mildly overclocked 4790K just about keeping up with my 1080Ti at 1440p with all the graphical goodies turned to ultra. The gpu was at 99% and so was the cpu. Only Assassins Creed changed that, it wanted more cpu power. I changed the platform to a Ryzen 2700x which runs great, and is less strain on the cpu, just waiting now for the next gen Ryzen